PistonHeads doesn't like the AD message.

[martine]

Btw, expect BRAKE to now lobby hard to make overtaking, on SC roads, illegal.

Oh yes - it's been in their mission statement for the last few years...really.

[dombooth]

We need to get out more to events and have nice cars/bikes on show to dispell the myth we all drive Rover 75's.

Martin, my IAM group is trying hard to do this.

See our Facebook here: http://www.facebook.com/IAM.Chesterfield1 Have a look at the photos.

Dom

[WhoseGeneration]

Btw, expect BRAKE to now lobby hard to make overtaking, on SC roads, illegal.

Oh yes - it's been in their mission statement for the last few years...really.

That's sort of full circle as regards my initial post on PH.
Our motoring future.
Btw, it appears I'm such a dangerous revolutionary that my ban is still in force.

[martine]

We need to get out more to events and have nice cars/bikes on show to dispell the myth we all drive Rover 75's.

Martin, my IAM group is trying hard to do this.

See our Facebook here: http://www.facebook.com/IAM.Chesterfield1 Have a look at the photos.

Dom

Nice car but can I make a few suggestions?

There seems to be a lack of younger people manning your stand...I know it's difficult but it would be more attractive to potential associates if it were more their age group.

Get rid of the high-viz jackets - too Health and Safety/Police.

Similarly your banner has Road Safety in large letters...'Safety' is often a turn-off...try 'Skill' or 'Enjoyment' or even 'Save Money'.

Just my thoughts.

[Silk]

We need to get out more to events and have nice cars/bikes on show to dispell the myth we all drive Rover 75's.

Martin, my IAM group is trying hard to do this.

See our Facebook here: http://www.facebook.com/IAM.Chesterfield1 Have a look at the photos.

Dom

Nice car but can I make a few suggestions?

There seems to be a lack of younger people manning your stand...I know it's difficult but it would be more attractive to potential associates if it were more their age group.

Get rid of the high-viz jackets - too Health and Safety/Police.

Similarly your banner has Road Safety in large letters...'Safety' is often a turn-off...try 'Skill' or 'Enjoyment' or even 'Save Money'.

Just my thoughts.

At the risk of being controversial, I'm not sure the IAM has a future long term. We get people of all abilities wanting to do the course and pass the test, but they tend to have one thing in common: attitude.

The problem is, we're never going to reach those who need the training the most because they are the people who think they need it the least.

I'm not even sure young faces are the answer. Just beause someone is the same age, doesn't necessarily mean you can identify with them better. Young boy racers probably see people their own age doing Advanced Driving as a bit odd and uncool.

IMO, nothing will change until there is a proper, officially recognised Advanced Driving qualification. Without this, Advanced Driving will always be the object of ridicule and the subject of bad jokes.

My prediction for the future is that forums such as ADUK will take the place of the IAM. At least for the driving enthusiasts who don't really care about "club culture". I believe that we will eventually realise that the road safety message of the IAM is falling on deaf ears and a fresh approach is required.

With ADUK, there are no AGMs, no voting, no hierachy, no meetings to discuss the last meeting, just turn up and drive.

I'll get my coat...

[dombooth]

We need to get out more to events and have nice cars/bikes on show to dispell the myth we all drive Rover 75's.

Martin, my IAM group is trying hard to do this.

See our Facebook here: http://www.facebook.com/IAM.Chesterfield1 Have a look at the photos.

Dom

Nice car but can I make a few suggestions?

1 - There seems to be a lack of younger people manning your stand...I know it's difficult but it would be more attractive to potential associates if it were more their age group.

2 - Get rid of the high-viz jackets - too Health and Safety/Police.

3- Similarly your banner has Road Safety in large letters...'Safety' is often a turn-off...try 'Skill' or 'Enjoyment' or even 'Save Money'.

Just my thoughts.

Of course.

1 - There was me, I am the young one in the group.

2 - Already underway.

3 - (I think) it was taken from the IAM logo "Driving Road Safety".

Please note that I am not speaking oh behalf on my group.

Dom

[dombooth]

Young boy racers probably see people their own age doing Advanced Driving as a bit odd and uncool.

Got it in one!!

Dom

[jont]

With ADUK, there are no AGMs, no voting, no hierachy, no meetings to discuss the last meeting, just turn up and drive.

I'll get my coat...

Coming next Saturday then?

[Silk]

With ADUK, there are no AGMs, no voting, no hierachy, no meetings to discuss the last meeting, just turn up and drive.

I'll get my coat...

Coming next Saturday then?

Unfortunately not. I'm getting my new car sometime in October, so I don't want to put too many miles on my current one before selling it. Once I get the new one though...

[TripleS]

...I have no doubt that ADUK is the more respectable outfit of the two.

Awww shucks...ahem...that doesn't mean you can post your biased and ill-conceived views 'willy-nilly' though...

I don't post "biased and ill-conceived views 'willy-nilly'......" They are all carefully calculated and presented, don't you know!

Best wishes all,
Dave - a bit prone to shooting from the hip occasionally.

[fungus]

We need to get out more to events and have nice cars/bikes on show to dispell the myth we all drive Rover 75's.

Martin, my IAM group is trying hard to do this.

See our Facebook here: http://www.facebook.com/IAM.Chesterfield1 Have a look at the photos.

Dom

Nice car but can I make a few suggestions?

There seems to be a lack of younger people manning your stand...I know it's difficult but it would be more attractive to potential associates if it were more their age group.

Get rid of the high-viz jackets - too Health and Safety/Police.

Similarly your banner has Road Safety in large letters...'Safety' is often a turn-off...try 'Skill' or 'Enjoyment' or even 'Save Money'.

Just my thoughts.

Dead right Martin,

Unfortunately, until we have a licencing system that positively encourages further driver development, and governments that don't jump in the same bed as BRAKE, I don't see advanced driving having an appeal to the greater majority.

[MGF]

I own a Rover 75.

[7db]

So do I - although mine's been shoe-horned into a rollerskate.

[WhoseGeneration]

A footnote to this. It would appear that, even though banned, I am still worthy of receiving marketing emails from PH.
This does tempt me to contact that Garlick and question the corporate ethos.

[WhoseGeneration]

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The OP is clearly a car driver. My sense is that advanced riding is more popular than advanced driving (perhaps because bikers tend to be enthusiasts, plus the consequences of a mistake are often life-changing).

A crucial difference between the car and bike sides, however, is that motorcycling journalists have been largely won over by advanced training. Unlike car journalists. The majority of bike magazines promote advanced riding in some form, such as BikeSafe or Rapid Training. One 'Ride' magazine journalist is a RoSPA Diploma holder and another wrote a series of articles about his IAM experience. If cynical bike journalists can be convinced of advanced training, surely some car journalists could be too?

Apologies for thread resurrection but this post from the AD forum on PH seems to echo my view from sometime ago.
Just what is it about the car journalists that they won't promote AD?
Oh and poster better be careful with such views on PH.