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Probably not. I haven't tested this out on an actual test though.

Nigel

I didn't change my driving much for my part 2. I just consciously avoided straight lining.

vonhosen wrote:I didn't change my driving much for my part 2. I just consciously avoided straight lining.

At the end of the day, there isn't a huge gap between the two syllabi.

Nigel

I am now under the impression that the DSA ADI part 2 is really a waste of time for someone with an advanced test pass and the HPT is not necessary to be an ADI either.

I believe the ADI part 1 questions are different to those in the normal theory

ROG wrote:I am now under the impression that the DSA ADI part 2 is really a waste of time for someone with an advanced test pass and the HPT is not necessary to be an ADI either.

Not really. It is an opportunity for the DSA to see that the candidate knows the DSA syllabus.

Similarly, by passing the HPT it shows that teh ADI has the knowledge to pass on to the client.

ROG wrote:I believe the ADI part 1 questions are different to those in the normal theory

Most of the questions are exactly the same. The ADI question bank has an extra section included - on instructional techniques.

Nigel

adiNigel wrote:

ROG wrote:I am now under the impression that the DSA ADI part 2 is really a waste of time for someone with an advanced test pass and the HPT is not necessary to be an ADI either.

Not really. It is an opportunity for the DSA to see that the candidate knows the DSA syllabus.

Similarly, by passing the HPT it shows that teh ADI has the knowledge to pass on to the client.

ROG wrote:I believe the ADI part 1 questions are different to those in the normal theory

Most of the questions are exactly the same. The ADI question bank has an extra section included - on instructional techniques.

Nigel

If cross accreditation was introduced then the DSA would not need to test for driving if the person has already proven their own driving by passing an advanced test.

It seems that the teaching of learners to pass the HPT is very rare so that would also not need to be taken.

With the questions, it seems that only the extra section needs to be done.

So in conclusion, if cross accreditation was allowed, only the extra questions and part 3 would need to be done if an advanced driver was to take up the ADI route.

ROG wrote:
So in conclusion, if cross accreditation was allowed, only the extra questions and part 3 would need to be done if an advanced driver was to take up the ADI route.

Ah, but if cross accreditation was allowed; wouldn't the DSA have its nose more firmly embedded in everyone else's pie? Be careful what you wish for!

The DSA wouldn't even accept the pass for ADI Pt1 (HPT, Theory test with instructional techniques Qs) as a pass for the 1st stage of Examiner recruitment. I had to sit the HPT and Theory again.

The 2nd stage of a Driving Assessment is marked to a higher standard than the ADI Pt2, but if I want to continue with ADI route, I'll need to sit the Pt2 ADI exam.

I must admit to kind of giving up on the chance of ever getting a letter inviting me to Cardington... Not sure that the DSA would be "an employer of choice"

Really i was under the impression that the Examiner test was 6 minors the same as ADI part 2? if it were any harder it would be less wouldn't it?

Renny wrote:....The 2nd stage of a Driving Assessment is marked to a higher standard than the ADI Pt2, but if I want to continue with ADI route, I'll need to sit the Pt2 ADI exam....

I think you are wrong in this, perhaps you may have misunderstood something.

Might have, but the route and exercises seemed longer and more complex than when I originally sat Pt2 a good few years ago. My recollection of info from a DSA Senior Examiner was that the Examiner's test was stricter/more complex.

Does the current Pt2 include a session driving using hand signals only? I'm sure it didn't when I did mine.

Renny wrote:Might have, but the route and exercises seemed longer and more complex than when I originally sat Pt2 a good few years ago. My recollection of info from a DSA Senior Examiner was that the Examiner's test was stricter/more complex.

Does the current Pt2 include a session driving using hand signals only? I'm sure it didn't when I did mine.

No it doesn't , I was talking to an SE the other day who thought they were a complete waste of time, as far as complexity goes for test routes I'm sure most of that depends on location. At the end of the day a driving error is a driving error i.e right or wrong, they are not going to let a potential instructor away with something if an error was committed but mark down a potential examiner for the same fault. In all fairness the driving is the easy part of becoming an Instructor for most!

Update on Recruitment Process

I just received a letter from the DSA to inform me that as there has been a lower than expected level of vacancies, my application will continue to be held on file until Feb 2010.

I also recently received a letter from the DSA, advising me that since the last Driving Examiner recruitment campaign began " we have experienced a reduction in demand for driving tests. This means that there are fewer examiners required than were originally envisaged. We have therefore decided to extend the list by 6 months".

NB: I was not told at the beginning of the recruiting process that, if I had not been placed on a course at Cardington within 12 months, my details would automatically be deleted. To add insult (if I still wanted to become an Examiner) I was told I would have to go through the process again (from the beginning) without any acknowledgement I been through it previously!!

So, it seems I also have to wait - at least until September/October 2009.

For a process that began as far back as October 2007, this seems to be a very odd way to recruit and treat potential examiners. I happen to know that there is a vacancy at my local DTC (just 10 miles away) but this knowledge is of no use to me. If 'they' are not actively recruiting then I have little choice but to sit and wait.

Many people have said to me that I should "give it all up as a bad joke", and "what do you expect, you're dealing with the Civil Service".

I have no wish to teach 'L' drivers anymore, so if the DSA finally decide to delete me (and the many other successful candidates) from their Examiner Recruitment database in September/October 2009 I will seriously look at the Fleet side of the industry. A number of my old chums are very successful Fleet Trainers - they must think I was bonkers for wanting to join the DSA as an Examiner in the first place!

I must agree with you about the DSA. I've just moved jobs internally with my current employer and am much happier (and better paid ), so even if a vacancy comes up I don't think I will go any further. I also think that teaching novices is not a viable career just now.

I did get a letter from my local IAM group trying to recruit Observers, so may follow that up.