Tosh wrote:martine wrote:Errr - thanks for that Tosh...can I ask for a little about your experience of advanced driving and training above the DSA level?
RoSPA Gold Martin.
gannet wrote:Tosh wrote:martine wrote:Errr - thanks for that Tosh...can I ask for a little about your experience of advanced driving and training above the DSA level?
RoSPA Gold Martin.
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seems to me that the techniques you are describing are quite reliant on other people's reactions and co-operation, not to mention understanding of what you are doing. Not something I would want to be reliant on.
Tosh wrote:gannet wrote:Tosh wrote:
RoSPA Gold Martin.
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seems to me that the techniques you are describing are quite reliant on other people's reactions and co-operation, not to mention understanding of what you are doing. Not something I would want to be reliant on.
Can you show me where my techniques are reliant on other peoples reactions and co-operation as I can assure you that is very much not the case. I would not want to ever be reliant on anyone else to determine the outcome of my driving.
Tosh wrote:Wait for the brake lights of the vehicle in front and delay your braking moving from the Two Second gap (Follow Position) to the Tyres and Tarmac gap (Contact Position). Your aim is to get out in the same gap as the vehicle in front. (Information, Position, Speed)
Maintain that distance and be ready to go but always be prepared to brake hard if the car in front stops suddenly. Plan - Always think - "What if" Never take your eye off the back of that car, You'll see the back dip just before it moves, that's your key to move. (Gear, Acceleration)
If the gap isn't big enough but the one behind the next vehicle in circuit is, then keep the momentum and aim to be over the line as soon as the middle of the car passes you, that way you'll have the momentum to slot in seamlessly, continue at a brisk pace to deter those waiting from cutting in front of you then and exit swiftly. (Information, Position, Acceleration)
Tosh wrote:martine wrote:Errr - thanks for that Tosh...can I ask for a little about your experience of advanced driving and training above the DSA level?
RoSPA Gold Martin.
gannet wrote:Tosh wrote:Wait for the brake lights of the vehicle in front and delay your braking moving from the Two Second gap (Follow Position) to the Tyres and Tarmac gap (Contact Position). Your aim is to get out in the same gap as the vehicle in front. (Information, Position, Speed)
Maintain that distance and be ready to go but always be prepared to brake hard if the car in front stops suddenly. Plan - Always think - "What if" Never take your eye off the back of that car, You'll see the back dip just before it moves, that's your key to move. (Gear, Acceleration)
If the gap isn't big enough but the one behind the next vehicle in circuit is, then keep the momentum and aim to be over the line as soon as the middle of the car passes you, that way you'll have the momentum to slot in seamlessly, continue at a brisk pace to deter those waiting from cutting in front of you then and exit swiftly. (Information, Position, Acceleration)
Just this whole section really - My eyes need to be on more than just the back of the car in front. You are also aiming for the same gap as the vehicle in front goes for - what if they slow as they enter the roundabout? what if the gap closes as you follow him out?
Even aiming for the gap behind by keeping momentum, look at that from the point of view of the car on the roundabout - they may misread your momentum as you trying to get out in front of them and then do something unpredictable.
I may of course have misread and it is difficult to put such things into writing.
It is far better to drive your own drive making progress where possible without affecting others as best as you can. This is not always possible and we all make mistakes...
martine wrote:Tosh wrote:martine wrote:Errr - thanks for that Tosh...can I ask for a little about your experience of advanced driving and training above the DSA level?
RoSPA Gold Martin.
OK reason I ask is because the bits you quote don't seem to be very 'advanced' in my view. Many of the drivers here on ADUK would be well aware of the techniques you describe...'eggs', 'suck' and 'grandmother' are words that spring to mind. Apologies if that seems a little 'short' and I don't mean you to take offence but quoting large amounts of text from the Highway Code comes across as a 'lecturing' style rather than a discussion.
For me being progressive in town is about lane selection, timing of approach to traffic lights and roundabouts and keeping the wheels moving as much as reasonably possible - not closing up to 2 second gaps or straight-lining as I think you advocated. Progress on rural roads is quite different of course.
Tosh wrote:Thanks Martin, I too when I'm in my own car drive very much to a pace much more relaxed and am happy to ease back off the go pedal and let someone be on their way.
There are times when we must be somewhere as a matter of urgency and that is where those techniques are employed.
martine wrote:Tosh wrote:Thanks Martin, I too when I'm in my own car drive very much to a pace much more relaxed and am happy to ease back off the go pedal and let someone be on their way.
There are times when we must be somewhere as a matter of urgency and that is where those techniques are employed.
I take it your'e police?
Tosh wrote:martine wrote:Tosh wrote:Thanks Martin, I too when I'm in my own car drive very much to a pace much more relaxed and am happy to ease back off the go pedal and let someone be on their way.
There are times when we must be somewhere as a matter of urgency and that is where those techniques are employed.
I take it your'e police?
I sadly don't get the benefit of brightly marked vehicles with strobes and sirens to assist me through traffic. That's too easy! .
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