vonhosen wrote:jont wrote:The real problem I have with the regs is that they can't/don't stop the incompetent, while putting red tape in the way of those who are competent, but would also prefer to do things legally. I don't know how you fix that
It's up to the regulatory body to get rid of the incompetent members.
jont wrote:vonhosen wrote:jont wrote:The real problem I have with the regs is that they can't/don't stop the incompetent, while putting red tape in the way of those who are competent, but would also prefer to do things legally. I don't know how you fix that
It's up to the regulatory body to get rid of the incompetent members.
I really meant the stopping the incompetent DIYers.
TripleS wrote:Maybe so, but what harm are they doing, or likely to do? They are probably going to be wasting their time, effort and money, but that is their problem and I don't see if affecting anybody else very much.
I'm the opposite of you - I've got no problem doing electrics (it's all logical, and either works, or goes bang pretty much immediately),
jont wrote:TripleS wrote:Maybe so, but what harm are they doing, or likely to do? They are probably going to be wasting their time, effort and money, but that is their problem and I don't see if affecting anybody else very much.
Let's see, other than the gas leak when we moved into our last house, there was the badly designed and leaking extension roof (with an unsupported valley gutter ), the kitchen electrics which needed redoing, the plaster falling off the wall, the bouncy upstairs floorboards....
The main house (built mid 1970s) was very solid, but pretty much everything the previous owner touched in building the extension within the last 10 years caused problems in some way once you got past the paint. I can only think it got signed off by way of a brown envelope...
I'm the opposite of you - I've got no problem doing electrics (it's all logical, and either works, or goes bang pretty much immediately), but I hate plumbing. The genders of connectors never match up. Washers are never quite the right size. If it can leak it will, but often not obviously (until 6 months later when your ceiling falls in).
revian wrote:Don't most surveys only tell you what can be seen?
"Lift the carpets sir? You'll need an expert for that."
Ian
jont wrote:revian wrote:Don't most surveys only tell you what can be seen?
"Lift the carpets sir? You'll need an expert for that."
Ian
If only they were that good. Our surveyor who missed the damp patch on the ceiling where the chimney was leaking... (we were having it taken out, so weren't that bothered when we found it, but the surveyor didn't know that) But still they suggested electrical check, gas check, drains survey etc etc. In fact most surveys only seem to say as much as "yes, there's a house there. But you need a professional of XYZ to tell you anything more ".
revian wrote:jont wrote:revian wrote:Don't most surveys only tell you what can be seen?
"Lift the carpets sir? You'll need an expert for that."
Ian
If only they were that good. Our surveyor who missed the damp patch on the ceiling where the chimney was leaking... (we were having it taken out, so weren't that bothered when we found it, but the surveyor didn't know that) But still they suggested electrical check, gas check, drains survey etc etc. In fact most surveys only seem to say as much as "yes, there's a house there. But you need a professional of XYZ to tell you anything more ".
So much so that we didn't bother. House obviously solid.. Permission/ certs in place... Good look round... wysiwyg ... Anything we couldn't see the 'expert' couldn't have found. The cooker still broke down on day 1
Ian
WhoseGeneration wrote:Oh dear, yet again a new member concerned about "speed" and the same arguments are repeated.
A pattern?
The argument is expanded by members to encompass such as services in domestic premises and the regulation thereof, together with the standards of service provided by so called professionals.
My advice?, do what I have always done, read and do.
Remember, Government wants a subservient population. Regulations are part of that.
vonhosen's approach is too simplistic and doesn't lead to challenging citizens to constantly improve.
TripleS wrote:Unfortunately, for many years now the (increasing range of) laws have been made by politicians for whom I have little regard, as a result of which I heartily disagree with the overall approach to lawmaking. In my opinion it has placed far too much emphasis on stuff that doesn't matter, but still fails to serve us well in the things that do matter; at least to some of us.
Back to 'speed', I object to the NSL, and do not see that it deserves respect.
TripleS wrote:I reaslise that I'll incur considerable disapproval from many people for saying this, but in truth I don't have much interest in what the law requires from me. Back in the 1940s I was brought up in a conservative family to be kind and considerate towards other people, to take care of what we had (which wasn't much) and not be wasteful. It was also expected that I would be law abiding, and I was. Unfortunately, for many years now the (increasing range of) laws have been made by politicians for whom I have little regard, as a result of which I heartily disagree with the overall approach to lawmaking. In my opinion it has placed far too much emphasis on stuff that doesn't matter, but still fails to serve us well in the things that do matter; at least to some of us.
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