WhoseGeneration wrote:A question to the qualifying authorities might be, "Why does not initial learning include experience of the various safety systems built into many current cars?"
Especially as those of a more advanced nature are not too sure of them and how they act in any given situation.
Astraist wrote:At the very least drivers should experience ABS by going through an emergency braking drill. There much more to be learned from appreciating and anticipating the activation of ABS under sudden braking, than there is with ESP during maneuvers.
Not to mention that a driver that does not undergo this drill probably won't brake hard enough to begin with, and will not utilize the ability to steer to avoid a hazard too close for stopping, or a hazard behind.
WhoseGeneration wrote:A question to the qualifying authorities might be, "Why does not initial learning include experience of the various safety systems built into many current cars?"
Especially as those of a more advanced nature are not too sure of them and how they act in any given situation.
jont wrote:WhoseGeneration wrote:A question to the qualifying authorities might be, "Why does not initial learning include experience of the various safety systems built into many current cars?"
Especially as those of a more advanced nature are not too sure of them and how they act in any given situation.
I had a short trip in my boss's new Merc M-class recently. Quite frankly I thought there should be a proper written exam on the systems in it before you're allowed to rely on any of them (and TBH, that should also include understanding when they don't work). From rear view cameras (with position markers showing where the car will go) to blind spot warnings, radar cruise control, low speed emergency braking, higher speed collision warnings, lane departure warnings, and that's all I can remember from a 5 mile trip to the pub.
I have no idea how you're supposed to instinctively know what any of the random warnings mean - particularly if one goes off in anger when you're distracted/tired.
I'd also love to know whether any of them will cause MoT fails when they go wrong once the car is out of warranty - because if they do, there's no way I want a car with any of them
TripleS wrote:The trend seems to be for governments to make these fancy systems mandatory, so the manufacturers have to provide them, in which case it will be logical to require that the systems be seen to be in working order at MOT time; and if they are not, there could be large costs for the owner.
Gareth wrote:TripleS wrote:The trend seems to be for governments to make these fancy systems mandatory, so the manufacturers have to provide them, in which case it will be logical to require that the systems be seen to be in working order at MOT time; and if they are not, there could be large costs for the owner.
Are certain it's not a manufacturer-led sequence?
Manufacturers create these fancy systems, which then busy-bodies think are such a good idea that everyone should be forced to have them, ... which leads to built-in obsolescence and more cars sold!
Astraist wrote:I have to say I am suprised at the relative lack of popularity of ESP in this forum...
StressedDave wrote:It's an ego thing - we're all sufficiently competent drivers that we don't need these superb driver's aids - right up until we do really need them...
StressedDave wrote:Astraist wrote:I have to say I am suprised at the relative lack of popularity of ESP in this forum.
It's an ego thing - we're all sufficiently competent drivers that we don't need these superb driver's aids - right up until we do really need them...
Whilst my purchasing decision wouldn't be based on the fact that a vehicle is fitted with them, I wouldn't actively go out of my way to avoid vehicles fitted with them due to my scintillating driving skills.
waremark wrote:If ESP was a cost option I would pay to have it. Cannot say how much I would be prepared to pay, but probably not that much.
When my children bought their first cars (or even when I bought their first cars!) insurance considerations meant choosing low powered versions which lacked ESP. I would have preferred them to have higher powered versions with ESP. (My eldest now has 616 bhp and it has not done him any harm yet).
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