zadocbrown wrote:Silk wrote:Kimosabe wrote:So are you suggesting some sort of under 25's IAM scheme that would help young drivers to not only be safer drivers but to also reduce their insurance premiums?
That's been done and doesn't work. Even when you attract under 25s, they tend to be the offspring of teachers, doctors, lawyers, etc. They're usually the sort of kids who handed in their homework on time and passed all their exams. To have any chance of success, you need to be able to target all under 25s, regardless of background.
Under 25 groups are not going to happen, because such a concept depends on the formation of a homogeneous social group. Being under 25 and into cars/driving does not constitute a homogeneous social group. We aren't going to get the max power boys lying down with the shy doctor's daughters or with the grammar school geeks etc etc.
zadocbrown wrote:Interested is not the same as motivated. Hence loads watch Topgear, would take a track day or demo drive if it was free, then carry on regardless....
WhoseGeneration wrote:IAM should organise flat out track days for young drivers.
Then, on those days, include sessions with two way traffic, an imaginery centre line existing.
Thing is, as a society, we're hypocritical about how we want young ones to behave. Sign up to the military, male or female and we want them to fly fast jets, enter conflict zones to fight or be "peacekeepers". This being seen as good.
Similar behaviour in terms of danger, outside of societal sanctioned, bad.
Bring back National Service?
I can remember how I behaved when I was much younger.
Some here appear to have been born old.
WhoseGeneration wrote:Carbon Based wrote:
Then you have the lobbying, active and influencing organisation that is capable of gaining awareness of road safety without being BRAKE.
Therein lies the problem. Ain't no way the IAM can counteract BRAKE whilst lowest common denominator is the norm. Despite all the stuff about the DVSA test is harder than it's ever been.
Truth is, there should be mandatory retesting, with a fail meaning loss of licence.
mefoster wrote:I agree with most of what you say: you can't force people to change. But why are you trying to reach people who are plainly not interested anyway?
Part of me has a real problem with trying to put what amounts to a belief system onto others and it's all starting to sound a bit evangelistic.
akirk wrote:not sure it reads that way to me - surely what is being argued is that it is good for people's driving to improve - not a specific system of how to do that...?
Astraist wrote:We do not have the IAM's image problem, because in Israel Advanced Driving Organisations also govern the country's Motorsports and thus has a greater appeal.
WhoseGeneration wrote:Astraist wrote:We do not have the IAM's image problem, because in Israel Advanced Driving Organisations also govern the country's Motorsports and thus has a greater appeal.
This I like, perhaps the IAM should amalgamate with the MSA?
Horse wrote:WhoseGeneration wrote:Astraist wrote:We do not have the IAM's image problem, because in Israel Advanced Driving Organisations also govern the country's Motorsports and thus has a greater appeal.
This I like, perhaps the IAM should amalgamate with the MSA?
Intriguingly (well, not really), in most of the world the FIM (Federation international de Motocyclistes) accept one organisation per nation to oversee both motorcycle 'sport' & 'touring', but in the UK we two organisations representing to the FIM: the BMF and ACU.
WhoseGeneration wrote:If the IAM were to amalgamate with the MSA, then the IAM would be affiliated with the FIA which is heavily into road safety. A cynic might suggest this is to provide positive PR but who cares why.
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