Rowley010 wrote:Are DVSA examiners that conduct the learner driver tests for cars and larger vehicle advanced drivers? Ie I know they won't be IAM or rospa but as part of their own training do they do a test that is of similar standard to one of the groups?
Rowley010 wrote:This brings me on to my next question then. If they are advanced, then why do they give minor or sometimes major faults on a driving test for not signalling if there's no benefit to another road user?
Your taught to ALWAYS signal at junctions and ALWAYS signal at roundabouts whether there is someone there or not. Yet if they've done advanced driving, they are being a bit hypocritical for giving faults to a leaner for not signalling IF there is no benefit to another person on the road.
Reason I'm asking this is because I recently passed my HGV test and got a minor fault for no signal....I knew exactly when the examiner meant, and I remember I observed all around me and decided a signal would have been no benefit to anyone else!
GS wrote:
I do not think that giving unnecessary indication in itself is wrong, unnecessary perhaps, but not wrong. However I do think that not indicating when it is or may be helpful is wrong. That's just my opinion.
I also think that when discussing different standards required for different driving tests, if the differences just come down to use of signals, they can't be THAT different.
Rowley010 wrote:This brings me on to my next question then. If they are advanced, then why do they give minor or sometimes major faults on a driving test for not signalling if there's no benefit to another road user?
Rowley010 wrote:Your taught to ALWAYS signal at junctions and ALWAYS signal at roundabouts whether there is someone there or not. Yet if they've done advanced driving, they are being a bit hypocritical for giving faults to a leaner for not signalling IF there is no benefit to another person on the road.
Reason I'm asking this is because I recently passed my HGV test and got a minor fault for no signal....I knew exactly when the examiner meant, and I remember I observed all around me and decided a signal would have been no benefit to anyone else!
vonhosen wrote:Rowley010 wrote: Reason I'm asking this is because I recently passed my HGV test and got a minor fault for no signal....I knew exactly when the examiner meant, and I remember I observed all around me and decided a signal would have been no benefit to anyone else!
With who & what he could see he may not have agreed with you that it was of no benefit.
RobC wrote:Rowley010 wrote:Are DVSA examiners that conduct the learner driver tests for cars and larger vehicle advanced drivers? Ie I know they won't be IAM or rospa but as part of their own training do they do a test that is of similar standard to one of the groups?
Some are, one of my local DVSA examiners has an IAM badge on the grille of his car. DVSA examiners are also exempt from having to take the IAM test and take a special driving test at Cardington. There's no reason not to be in the IAM as there isn't a big difference between DVSA driving and IAM/Rospa driving.
RobC wrote:vonhosen wrote:Rowley010 wrote: Reason I'm asking this is because I recently passed my HGV test and got a minor fault for no signal....I knew exactly when the examiner meant, and I remember I observed all around me and decided a signal would have been no benefit to anyone else!
With who & what he could see he may not have agreed with you that it was of no benefit.
It could be no one was around when you considered a signal, but there were restricted sightlines and someone 'could' have been there and benefitted even though it turned out no one was there. As I said earlier examiners expect a lot more signals on HGV tests
Then again I've sat in on many tests and examiners aren't always right and make mistakes like the rest of us.
vonhosen wrote:RobC wrote:Rowley010 wrote:Are DVSA examiners that conduct the learner driver tests for cars and larger vehicle advanced drivers? Ie I know they won't be IAM or rospa but as part of their own training do they do a test that is of similar standard to one of the groups?
Some are, one of my local DVSA examiners has an IAM badge on the grille of his car. DVSA examiners are also exempt from having to take the IAM test and take a special driving test at Cardington. There's no reason not to be in the IAM as there isn't a big difference between DVSA driving and IAM/Rospa driving.
There's no reason to be IAM either then.
RobC wrote:vonhosen wrote:RobC wrote:Some are, one of my local DVSA examiners has an IAM badge on the grille of his car. DVSA examiners are also exempt from having to take the IAM test and take a special driving test at Cardington. There's no reason not to be in the IAM as there isn't a big difference between DVSA driving and IAM/Rospa driving.
There's no reason to be IAM either then.
I think all examiners whether DVSA, IAM, Rospa etc should be aware of how other tests are marked
vonhosen wrote: Why?
How far do you go, every test there is?
If a pre-requisite is knowing other test criteria & tools of assessment then you'd have to know them all, or how/who decides which are not relevant?
What they need is to be well versed with the type of test they are conducting & it's criteria/rules of assessment, not every type of test.
You've highlighted the dangers of it with IAM examiners bringing experience of what they were tested on in the Police to the IAM tests they conduct.
RobC wrote:vonhosen wrote: Why?
How far do you go, every test there is?
If a pre-requisite is knowing other test criteria & tools of assessment then you'd have to know them all, or how/who decides which are not relevant?
What they need is to be well versed with the type of test they are conducting & it's criteria/rules of assessment, not every type of test.
You've highlighted the dangers of it with IAM examiners bringing experience of what they were tested on in the Police to the IAM tests they conduct.
To broaden the examiners understanding and possibly to see things from another perspective, but not every test.
RobC wrote:I agree that the examiner need to be well versed in the test they are conducting but the reason that some ex Police IAM examiners consider advanced driving to be examining to police class 1 standard is that that is all they know.
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