StressedDave wrote:I believe that being our resident turd in the swimming pool is its own reward.
I'll take your word for that.
Silk wrote:Some very sensible stuff ...
and:
I hope that clears things up a bit and goes some way to explaining the "friction" between me and other members of the forum.
akirk wrote:....what I don't understand (and maybe others can explain) is the apparent contradiction in someone having sufficient interest in Advanced Driving to be a regular member of this forum - yet having no interest in improving their own driving!
Alasdair
akirk wrote:what I don't understand (and maybe others can explain) is the apparent contradiction in someone having sufficient interest in Advanced Driving to be a regular member of this forum - yet having no interest in improving their own driving!
Silk wrote:For me, safety, smoothness, economy and interaction with other road users take precedence over progress.
Silk wrote:This is why I believe professional coaching would probably be a waste of time and money in my case. That doesn't mean I believe it would be the case for everyone or even that I wouldn't learn from the experience, just that I don't believe it would be worth the expense.
Silk wrote:I hope that clears things up a bit and goes someway to explaining the "friction" between me and other members of the forum.
Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:Silk wrote:Some very sensible stuff ...
and:
I hope that clears things up a bit and goes some way to explaining the "friction" between me and other members of the forum.
Yes
Silk wrote: My interest is mainly because I'm a business driver and most of my driving is on main roads and in traffic - my reasons for wanting to be a better driver are probably a lot different to the majority of posters on here.
akirk wrote:partially
so in effect it all comes down to cost
AD is not all about progress, and anyway, progress comes from smoothness / interaction / etc. (poss. not economy!)
You accept that professional coaching could teach you something / but yet have no interest in it...
Silk wrote:akirk wrote:partially
so in effect it all comes down to cost
AD is not all about progress, and anyway, progress comes from smoothness / interaction / etc. (poss. not economy!)
You accept that professional coaching could teach you something / but yet have no interest in it...
Read what I said again, with your comprehension glasses on this time.
I note that you seem dismissive of economy. The thing is, when you're covering 1000 miles a week, economy become much more of a priority than if you're only driving for occasional fun.
It's not as if I've had no coaching at all, just that it's all been amateur (but still very good).
akirk wrote:Silk wrote:akirk wrote:partially
so in effect it all comes down to cost
AD is not all about progress, and anyway, progress comes from smoothness / interaction / etc. (poss. not economy!)
You accept that professional coaching could teach you something / but yet have no interest in it...
Read what I said again, with your comprehension glasses on this time.
I note that you seem dismissive of economy. The thing is, when you're covering 1000 miles a week, economy become much more of a priority than if you're only driving for occasional fun.
It's not as if I've had no coaching at all, just that it's all been amateur (but still very good).
I was simply commenting that progress does not come from economy - I am sure that you will agree that a drive for progress and one for economy might not be fully compatible...
Horse wrote:chriskay wrote: Oh, eco driving may be something you're trained to deliver, but I've reached an age when I just want a bit of (safe) fun.
Not mutually-exclusive aims!
Transfer of fuel-efficient driving technique from the simulator to the road: steps towards a cost-benefit model for synthetic training
A.M. Parkes & N. Reed.
TRUCKSIM is a programme of research focused on simulation as a training delivery tool for skills development in qualified truck drivers.
The results revealed a picture of improvement in the simulator of several aspects of driving performance . . . an 11% increase in their fuel efficiency over the three visits to the simulator . . . drivers were handling the vehicle in a much more efficient manner. It would be easy to assume that drivers simply slowed down to achieve these improvements but the data show that drivers were actually around 8% faster overall.
Horse wrote:Although, as I posted recently:
. . . an 11% increase in their fuel efficiency over the three visits to the simulator . . . drivers were handling the vehicle in a much more efficient manner. It would be easy to assume that drivers simply slowed down to achieve these improvements but the data show that drivers were actually around 8% faster overall.
akirk wrote:I was simply commenting that progress does not come from economy - I am sure that you will agree that a drive for progress and one for economy might not be fully compatible...
akirk wrote: there must logically come a time when you make a choice between ultimate progress / ultimate economy?
Horse wrote:akirk wrote: there must logically come a time when you make a choice between ultimate progress / ultimate economy?
I wasn't suggesting that one would always lead to the other.
However, if you use 'AD principles' of improved observation and planning, then you are likely to improve fuel economy.
However [2], if you are intending to travel as fast as possible, then there's probably a recognisable correlation between how hard you press on the loud / quiet pedals and increased fuel use.
akirk wrote:Horse wrote:Although, as I posted recently:
. . . an 11% increase in their fuel efficiency over the three visits to the simulator . . . drivers were handling the vehicle in a much more efficient manner. It would be easy to assume that drivers simply slowed down to achieve these improvements but the data show that drivers were actually around 8% faster overall.
but that is a slightly more complex argument - presumably smoothness leads to increased economy and increased progress - but that doesn't mean that a direct focus on progress leads to a proportional increase in economy, and while some aspects of AD such as smoothness may help both - there must logically come a time when you make a choice between ultimate progress / ultimate economy?
Alasdair
Silk wrote:akirk wrote:I was simply commenting that progress does not come from economy - I am sure that you will agree that a drive for progress and one for economy might not be fully compatible...
That depends of what you mean by progress. Good progress doesn't have to mean fast progress. The type of driving I prefer goes hand-in-hand with economy.
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