vonhosen wrote:Red Herring wrote:Why does the driver have to produce both parts of their driving licence? All of the information on the counterpart is held on the PNC so the officer can check it them-self, without having to risk alienating and inconveniencing the member of the public. I appreciate there is a power to require a driver to produce their licence, however the automatic use of this power when it is unnecessary suggests either laziness on the part of the officer or ignorance on the part of the organization. Here is a driver who through no fault of their own has become a victim and a witness to anothers' lawbreaking and yet the police make him feel if as if he is now somehow under scrutiny himself. I accept there is a need to record all details, however there are ways of doing things....
You've said yourself the computer isn't always accurate, so you cross reference what is physically produced with what is believed through other channels. At the point the producer is issued the matter is still under investigation & all parties involved must be checked, just as all should also be breathalysed.
Your memory about what I may have said in the past is better than mine, I don't know if I should be flattered or worried... Computers, or rather the information held on them, is not always up to date, which is why it needs an informed individual to use it. In this example if the driver tells you they hold a licence and on checking the DVLA database this is confirmed there would be no need to issue a producer. What are you trying to achieve? If they told you they held a licence, the computer confirms this, yet for some reason the individual is unable to produce it would you seriously prosecute them for "failing to produce"?
If on the other hand the individual tells you they have a licence yet the DVLA database says not, then it would make sense to get the person to produce what they claim to hold. It may well be that the DVLA computer is inaccurate, but far more likely that their licence has been revoked (or expired to stay topical with recent press), or even that it is completely false.
Put it this way, if the driver produces a document to you at the road side would you accept it, or check back to the issuing authority? Just about any document you may need to produce when driving anywhere in the world is now readily available on-line, and not necessarily from the correct authority. I suspect quite a few officers are still getting regularly suckered....