jont wrote:drivingsteve wrote:Gareth, I have no intention of being drawn into an arguement with you. I was asking jont a perfectly reasonable question regarding the potential outcome of accidents at different speeds.
Ah, you see here I beg to differ. I don't think your question was "perfectly reasonable". It was a classic straw man tactic. And I hope you see the hypocrisy in calling my behaviour "politician like" before stating that you won't get drawn any further into a debate that doesn't seem to be going in the direction you hoped
mefoster wrote:...The question is loaded in that it pre-supposes that the accident is inevitable and can only be mitigated by reducing the impact speed....
PeterE wrote:GJD wrote:The more that the environment presents drivers with opportunities to hurt people, the more that focussing on what the speed limit should be misses the point, because adherence to the limit is such a minor adjunct to what actually matters.
Absolutely - very well put.
MGF wrote:if we are relying mostly on the limit preventing fatalities and serious injuries.
MGF wrote:Following that logic insurance also misses the point. I believe that if we didn't have insurance we would have far fewer accidents.
TripleS wrote:jont wrote:drivingsteve wrote:Gareth, I have no intention of being drawn into an arguement with you. I was asking jont a perfectly reasonable question regarding the potential outcome of accidents at different speeds.
Ah, you see here I beg to differ. I don't think your question was "perfectly reasonable". It was a classic straw man tactic. And I hope you see the hypocrisy in calling my behaviour "politician like" before stating that you won't get drawn any further into a debate that doesn't seem to be going in the direction you hoped
Heh, Steve is relatively new here, and very welcome. He's got plenty of time to make adjustments to his approach (I'm still having to work on that ) but it might be helpful to bear in mind that some folk here do have considerable experience and a great deal of expertise; and that group might include Gareth.
I've been here quite a while too (but without the high level expertise) and I still keep finding my contributions don't always receive quite the response I hoped for. So we pick ourselves up and work round the setbacks, but basically, when it's all reckoned up, we're on the same side. Let's not forget that.
GJD wrote:Relying mostly on the limit for that is precisely what we should not be doing, because the best that can achieve is the "it's ok to drive into people as long as you do it slow enough that you probably won't kill them" approach, and that approach is not good enough.
PeterE wrote:MGF wrote:Following that logic insurance also misses the point. I believe that if we didn't have insurance we would have far fewer accidents.
So uninsured drivers have far fewer accidents than insured ones, do they?
PeterE wrote:And one of the key reasons for insurance is to pay damages to third-party victims of accidents which would be completely beyond the means of those responsible unless they were millionaires. Without insurance, these costs would fall on the State and have to come from general taxation.
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