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waremark wrote:"How is that fair, huh?"

I am afraid fairness or otherwise does not come into it; this is the reality of driving today. It is a downside of the speed limit enforcement regime, but as implementation of the regime has coincided with a period of significant reduction in traffic fatalities there is no likelihood of this regime being changed.

TripleS wrote:

waremark wrote:"How is that fair, huh?"

I am afraid fairness or otherwise does not come into it; this is the reality of driving today. It is a downside of the speed limit enforcement regime, but as implementation of the regime has coincided with a period of significant reduction in traffic fatalities there is no likelihood of this regime being changed.

Hmm, does anybody know if this improved safety is being achieved because we're having less shunts; or is it because although we're (possibly) having the same number of shunts, we are surviving them better? If it is the latter, the bulk of the credit should go to the vehicle manufacturers.

waremark wrote:Even if the former it could be due to ESP etc, and if the latter due to better emergency response. I carefully avoided saying there was a causal link!

MGF wrote:

michael769 wrote:...I have went though the entire route on GSV and there is street lighting throughout with no gaps. It is also, for the most part urban in character, those gaps in housing are still lit and that with the lack of terminal signs should make it quite obvious to anyone familiar with The Highway Code that the limit is 30..

I think plenty of drivers would assume that the limit has changed by the time they had arrived at this point.

hir wrote:

hir wrote:... You could sign-up for the course as well.

Please accept my apologies. It has been pointed out to me that you haven't yet passed your driving test - my suggestion was therefore not appropriate.

Good luck when you do start learning to drive, and when the time is right have a serious think about signing up for one of the advanced driving courses. It's never too early to start one of these courses.

It's good to see someone of your age engaging so enthusiastically with driving relating matters.

TripleS wrote:I can't offer any useful comments to TI about this case, though it does sound as if there was a bit of carelessness in terms of failing to appreciate what the limit was likely to be. Even so, I hope the outcome isn't too painful.

Anyhow, while out walking this afternoon on a rural road (single carriageway, single vehicle width) I saw four speed limit signs, white disc, red border, all showing a black 20.

Now I thought that to have legal effect, speed limit signs needed to be in pairs, one each side of the road; but these were on alternate sides of the road, 200/300 yards apart, and they were the small signs, like the size normally used for 40 mph repeaters. So, do the ones I've described sound to be in accordance with the law? I suspect they are not.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

TheInsanity1234 wrote:... I was wondering how much a short AD course would be as I'd like to do a quick one after passing my test because frankly with the average standards of driving as they are now, then obviously I'm going to have an accident a minute after passing my test, so I'd like to avoid that!

michael769 wrote:

TripleS wrote:I can't offer any useful comments to TI about this case, though it does sound as if there was a bit of carelessness in terms of failing to appreciate what the limit was likely to be. Even so, I hope the outcome isn't too painful.

Anyhow, while out walking this afternoon on a rural road (single carriageway, single vehicle width) I saw four speed limit signs, white disc, red border, all showing a black 20.

Now I thought that to have legal effect, speed limit signs needed to be in pairs, one each side of the road; but these were on alternate sides of the road, 200/300 yards apart, and they were the small signs, like the size normally used for 40 mph repeaters. So, do the ones I've described sound to be in accordance with the law? I suspect they are not.

They sound like repeaters, they don't have to be in pairs. Only the terminals need to be in pairs, and even then there are exceptions.

TripleS wrote:...I don't think they can be regarded as repeaters, as there don't seem to be any proper full size signs preceding them.

michael769 wrote:Only if they have never read the Highway Code! The streetlights are not exactly hard to spot.

michael769 wrote:People get caught because they,think they won't get caught.

michael769 wrote:People get caught because they,think they won't get caught.

hir wrote:A good idea. An AD course will fill in a lot of the gaps left by the DSA learner course. One ADI recently described the DSA learner test as not being fit for purpose.

A quick caveat on the "short" AD courses, ie. the IAM 2-day "Fast Track" course (cost c £250). Avoid them, there's not sufficient time to absorb and practice what's required in two days, the advanced test pass rate is barely more than 50%; the IAM know they have a problem with this product and are in the process of revisiting it.

However, the IAM's "Skill for Life" course usually consists of about 10 driving sessions, each of approx one and a quarter hours duration, usually over a period of about 3 months, the national IAM advanced test pass rate under the Skill for Life scheme is almost 90%.

TheInsanity1234 wrote:

michael769 wrote:People get caught because they,think they won't get caught.

I wonder if you'll be singing the same hymn if you get caught doing something you genuinely thought was legal, and turned out to be illegal?

MGF wrote:

TripleS wrote:...I don't think they can be regarded as repeaters, as there don't seem to be any proper full size signs preceding them.

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