Ralge wrote:akirk wrote:20mph would make no difference - those who cause accidents at 30 would cause them at 20 (i.e. they won't change their speed)
alcohol limits - you have to be cautious not to pick up those who consume alcohol unintentionally (e.g. in a pudding) - possibly not easy to implement
graduated licences - yes sounds a great idea... normal licence as now, then for those with AD skills allow additional privileges (e.g. 80 on the motorway) - electronic car tags could enable that...
Alasdair
I'm no supporter of Brake's over-simplified view of things but you should check out Newton's Laws - reducing the prevailing speed on a road from 30-ish to 20-ish makes a massive difference.
Brake to a stop from 30, brake to a stop from 20 => massively different outcomes (I.e residual speed and resultant impact speed and force) along the lines of braking/deceleration before stopping.
I believe it is the case that 20 limits worked well in London despite a lot of non-compliance, no doubt, and, as a result, they are bound to proliferate outside of the capital.
My apologies - I am aware of that, but I was meaning something different...
A limit's purpose is to get the driver to drive slower - until we get to a point of electronic limits which talk to the cars (possible already!) the limit is about changing the driver's intent...
On the basis that most drivers choose their speed based on car / urgency / road / etc. more than the limit - I am not sure that reducing it to 20mph will necessary make any difference in terms of drivers who even now ignore the 30mph limits...
I watched two cars the other day in our village driving towards a blind bend ahead of me - one doing c. 40 - 45... the other overtaking the first!
at the moment a 20mph limit has a sense of novelty and is unusual enough to catch attention - so it can be effective - change it across the board and it will lose that effectiveness an we will be back to the same place... except for those who are obedient to the law and who will now be restricted to 20 even in places where it is un-necessary...
sadly it is easy to change a sign - it would make more sense to actually study places in which accidents occur and to change roads / road furniture / etc. to subliminally influence / change the way in which people drive across that section of road...
a good example is having chicanes / restrictions as you enter a village, which they have in a few places around here - they work really well - perception of speed is affected by the speed at which you are travelling which is why it can be difficult bringin your speed down as you enter a village - the physical lay out of the entry as a chicane forces a slower speed and resets that perception - meaning that drivers are more likely to drive slower through the village... can work well
just random thoughts...
Alasdair