mefoster wrote:akirk wrote:I am not sure that I follow the OP's logic
I read it as:
The OP does a lot of mileage and looks after his cars. Therefore the OP is pissed off that his cars are virtually worthless when he come to trade in or sell them. It's just a bit of a whinge because he can't get what he thinks his cars are worth and would happily resort to clocking them to redress the balance.
Silk wrote:Something like that, yes. Although I don't necessarily wish to "clock" them myself
Silk wrote:My cars are always fully maintained and well looked after. Better to have one of those, than a low miler that's been used for short journeys carrying dogs, kids and smokers etc., only goes to the garage when it makes a noise or a light comes on, and is treated with about the same level respect most people would give a washing machine.
It's one of the reasons why I would never buy a used car. Although I'm glad other people do.
Silk wrote:I doubt the clockers would bother with a car that looked like it had done over 100K, as it would be too obvious and not worth the effort.
Silk wrote:If there were to be a clampdown on clocking, then the market for high mileage cars would almost certainly take a dive and I'd get even less.
Silk wrote:If someone is driving around in my last car and it only shows 20K miles on the clock, they'll still have themselves a nice car and it's likely to be just as reliable as any "other" 20K car. What's the problem?
akirk wrote:mmm - okay, understand the thinking - not sure I agree...Silk wrote:Something like that, yes. Although I don't necessarily wish to "clock" them myself
why not though? you are happy for fraud to take place by clocked cars being sold deceptively as you believe it gets you a higher price when you sell your cars... so why not do the clocking yourself and make more money? You seem happy for someone else to commit fraud so that you can make more money, but not happy to do it yourself?Silk wrote:My cars are always fully maintained and well looked after. Better to have one of those, than a low miler that's been used for short journeys carrying dogs, kids and smokers etc., only goes to the garage when it makes a noise or a light comes on, and is treated with about the same level respect most people would give a washing machine.
It's one of the reasons why I would never buy a used car. Although I'm glad other people do.
You are also not willing to risk buying a used car in case it has issues (been used for short journeys) - yet you are completely happy for someone to buy a car you sold at 70,000 miles - clocked to 20,000 and see no issues?!
- So, I buy that car and have paid more than it is worth because next to it on the forecourt was one in the same condition but with 40,000 on the clock and cheaper...
- I then don't change the timing chain (or xyz component) 10,000 miles later as specified by the manufacturer and 20,000 the engine blows up... I think it has happened at 40,000 - the manufacturer refuses to pay, in fact it has happened at 90,000 and I should have changed the component at 80,000
So I have lost cash on the purchase, and lost cash on work done to the carSilk wrote:I doubt the clockers would bother with a car that looked like it had done over 100K, as it would be too obvious and not worth the effort.
So a car over 100,000 miles will be noticeably in poorer condition - I buy a car ostensibly at 20,000 miles, but was actually your 60,000 mile car clocked down - well presumably it is going to show that 'over 100,000' age 40,000 miles sooner than expected!Silk wrote:If there were to be a clampdown on clocking, then the market for high mileage cars would almost certainly take a dive and I'd get even less.
You would simply get what the car is worth - if your car is in good condition you will get more than another car with the same mileage...Silk wrote:If someone is driving around in my last car and it only shows 20K miles on the clock, they'll still have themselves a nice car and it's likely to be just as reliable as any "other" 20K car. What's the problem?
so your 60,000 mile car clocked to 20,000 you think will be identical to a 20,000 mile car looked after in the same way - of course it won't - what is the problem? it is simply fraud
I am amazed by this discussion - can you really not see the issues? What you are saying is that you are happy to have punters defrauded as long as:
- you gain
- someone else does the fraud
akirk wrote:I am out - not the kind of discussion I think should be on here...
akirk wrote:mmm - okay, understand the thinking - not sure I agree...Silk wrote:Something like that, yes. Although I don't necessarily wish to "clock" them myself
why not though? you are happy for fraud to take place by clocked cars being sold deceptively as you believe it gets you a higher price when you sell your cars... so why not do the clocking yourself and make more money? You seem happy for someone else to commit fraud so that you can make more money, but not happy to do it yourself?
trashbat wrote:Winding up the internet at large is almost a recognised pastime, but this is more akin to trying to repeatedly troll a poorly-attended coffee morning.
Silk wrote:gannet wrote:akirk wrote:I am out - not the kind of discussion I think should be on here...
certainly not imho
How dare I talk about car related issues on a driving forum. Who knows where it will lead?
Silk wrote:Make that un-attended. Nearly a week went by with no posts on here at all. That's because most of the topics discussed are about as interesting as Steve Davis in a coma.
gannet wrote:you are advocating committing fraud and have consistently ignored the well reasoned arguments leveled at you. You asked what was wrong with clocking, seems to me you have your answer - several times over but you still persist.
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