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Postby petes » Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:59 am


akirk wrote:
beyond that maybe promoting the forum on pistonheads / other car forums etc.

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That's unlikely to be acceptable. Using one forum to effectively promote another that has the same target audience will be met with disapproval by the moderators.
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Postby petes » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:06 am


Ok then: quick straw poll...

If I set up an Advanced Driving Facebook page/group would you join and contribute to is?

Just comment YES or NO.

If the outcome is mainly positive, I'll do it. If it's not, I won't. I'll disregard the inevitable luddites that are against social networking because it's destroying the world/is an invasion of our privacy, and other such nonsense!
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Postby akirk » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:22 am


petes wrote:Ok then: quick straw poll...

If I set up an Advanced Driving Facebook page/group would you join and contribute to is?

Just comment YES or NO.

If the outcome is mainly positive, I'll do it. If it's not, I won't. I'll disregard the inevitable luddites that are against social networking because it's destroying the world/is an invasion of our privacy, and other such nonsense!


no issues with an AD facebook page if it is not lifting other people's content from here...
you can consider me a luddite if you wish - I actually think that Social Media & Facebook in particular are very clever tools which if used wisely are positive - and if used badly can create a lot of harm and other issues... don't for one moment think that those who own those platforms have the interests of the users at heart - it is all about cash.

and for clarity - my profession is web development / business consultancy and we do a lot with and using social media ;)

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Postby petes » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:26 am


I'll put that down as a YES vote then. 100% in favour so far...
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Postby petes » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:35 am


mefoster wrote:
petes wrote:Ok then: quick straw poll...

If I set up an Advanced Driving Facebook page/group would you join and contribute to is?

Just comment YES or NO.


NO.

I would not be happy to see my posts appearing all over social media. I don't do social media.

petes wrote:If the outcome is mainly positive, I'll do it. If it's not, I won't. I'll disregard the inevitable luddites that are against social networking because it's destroying the world/is an invasion of our privacy, and other such nonsense!


But you're quite happy to propagate their posts to a medium that they actively avoid anyway. :roll:

If this site goes "Facebook" then "Ah'm Ooot!" </Bannatyne>


50/50 then...

I wouldn't propagate posts in their entirety. I'd post headline discussion points and invite people to join in the debate here. I'm afraid I'm not too sympathetic towards people of the "I don't do social media" mindset. It's part of modern life.
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Postby jont » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:39 am


petes wrote:I'm afraid I'm not too sympathetic towards people of the "I don't do social media" mindset. It's part of modern life.

Nope, it's only part of life if you let it be. I'm quite happy without it thanks, and just because you like it doesn't mean you can shove it down everyone elses throats either :P
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Postby jont » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:49 am


mefoster wrote:I don't think that you have any right to take content from a private forum (you have to register) and re-post it on another medium. I don't want anything that I say here retransmitted elsewhere.

I don't think you have to register to read the General forums, just to post or view the Members only area.
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Postby petes » Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:50 am


jont wrote:
mefoster wrote:I don't think that you have any right to take content from a private forum (you have to register) and re-post it on another medium. I don't want anything that I say here retransmitted elsewhere.

I don't think you have to register to read the General forums, just to post or view the Members only area.


Correct. it's in the public domain for any person or webcrawler to read.
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Postby Carbon Based » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:00 pm


Another no here.

For starters, there was an attempt to run a Facebook page/group in parallel with ADUK within my short experience on this site and, forgive me for not remembering/searching for the reasons why, but it didn't take off.

It's also something of a false dichotomy to propose "Facebook or Luddite".

FWIW, I'm sure I'm not alone in being fairly geeky on such matters and already use that and a bunch of other sites. I prefer to keep things separate as the granularity of settings isn't what it could be.
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Postby petes » Wed Jul 08, 2015 12:25 pm


mefoster wrote:OK. That still doesn't give anyone the automatic right to re-post into a different medium. Just because you can...

I wonder what Darren has to say about it?




You will note my previous statement: "I'd post headline discussion points and invite people to join in the debate here." I'm not interested in duplicating content.

Darren owns this site. He doesn't control the Internet. If someone wants to create a Facebook page about Advanced Driving and make reference to this or any other website, their quite entitled to
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Postby akirk » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:13 pm


petes wrote:
mefoster wrote:OK. That still doesn't give anyone the automatic right to re-post into a different medium. Just because you can...

I wonder what Darren has to say about it?




You will note my previous statement: "I'd post headline discussion points and invite people to join in the debate here." I'm not interested in duplicating content.

Darren owns this site. He doesn't control the Internet. If someone wants to create a Facebook page about Advanced Driving and make reference to this or any other website, their quite entitled to


That is of course true - until you find yourself sued for copyright issues ;)

I don't disagree that social media is a good concept for many purposes - but perhaps you might be going about this slightly like the proverbial bull in a china shop...?

by all means start a facebook page / group on AD and reference whatever you will / this site / other sites / etc. you have the ability under journalistic rights to quote / use for news / etc.

however you are:
- suggesting that it should be ADUK on facebook - that is Darren's choice, so a discussion with him might be diplomatic
- you are quite brusqely knocking back any views which are not in agreement with you which is hardly indicative of any desire to think of others when you post on facebook...
- you seem to have listed my response as your only positive - you might note that I didn't say yes to your concept of posting ADUK highlights on facebook - to that, it was a clear NO!

this forum is very welcoming, but any common sense understanding of how you join and become part of a group of people might acknowledge that you don't come in as a fairly new member, tell everyone else how to do it and then tell them then have no choice if they don't like what you suggest...

unless you have recently bought this forum I would suggest you might wish to back down a little :)

back to the top of this post - by all means start something generic on facebook - or even your own website, but don't assume you have a right to use other people's content for your purposes - you don't and with it having been made very clear you would not be in all that strong a position if you then did so...

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Postby TripleS » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:25 pm


petes wrote:
akirk wrote:
beyond that maybe promoting the forum on pistonheads / other car forums etc.

Alasdair


That's unlikely to be acceptable. Using one forum to effectively promote another that has the same target audience will be met with disapproval by the moderators.


I don't see it as the same target audience, and therefore I wouldn't have thought anybody at PistonHeads should be concerned if a bit of ADUK promotion were to appear over there. PH is a huge site with forums covering practically every topic one might wish to discuss (and some one might rather not), whereas here the subject matter is very limited and specialised, with a much more refined and civilised bunch of contributors 8) , though there are one or two weak spots of course, er, mentioning no names. :wink:

Edit: I don't think I want to get involved with Facebook etc., so I guess I'm a NO voter. Sorry if that sounds a bit negative and unhelpful, Pete.
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Postby Gareth » Wed Jul 08, 2015 1:40 pm


Previous discussion, just over a year ago.
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Postby MGF » Wed Jul 08, 2015 2:24 pm


It's no from me. CBA with Facebook. Sorry.
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Postby Kimosabe » Wed Jul 08, 2015 4:54 pm


petes wrote:
mefoster wrote:OK. That still doesn't give anyone the automatic right to re-post into a different medium. Just because you can...

I wonder what Darren has to say about it?




You will note my previous statement: "I'd post headline discussion points and invite people to join in the debate here." I'm not interested in duplicating content.

Darren owns this site. He doesn't control the Internet. If someone wants to create a Facebook page about Advanced Driving and make reference to this or any other website, their quite entitled to



Hi Pete,
You don't know me but if you want to discuss anything with me or post anything pertaining to me elsewhere, you will first have to give me your :
- IP address
- Home address
- where you work
- where you go
- who you go there with
- schools you've attended
- names and addresses of friends and relatives
- your date of birth
- your full name
- mobile phone number
- driving license number
- place of birth
- Mother's maiden name
- the names and same details as above of everyone you know and everyone they know
- everything you have almost posted but deleted including photos (facebook policy, not mine)
- everything you are interested in, so that I can get companies you've probably never heard of to suggest other things you might be interested in, after i've sold them your data.
- I also need to see any dashcam recordings you've made (not copies), just to make sure that you aren't a dangerous driver who routinely breaks the law. If you are, I will share that with the Police and report you for the offences.
- you're going to need a password and login name, so please give me some secret info incase you forget them.

That'll be a start. Don't worry, you can partially opt out of who i'll share some of this data with but I still need to know it, because i'm someone you've never met, who works in an undisclosed location and without knowing this information about you, I won't be able to discuss anything with you or allow you to discuss anything with anyone else about me, without my explicit permission. I'm sure you understand that there is a genuine need for this information and with the right abilities, anyone could get it anyway, so why not just hand it over? Or look at it another way, you've already given permission for Facebook, NSA and GCHQ to know and share most of this about you anyway, unless you're a luddite but i'm sure you aren't. I'll keep your data safe on my PC.

Also, i'm sorry but I am one of those "luddites" who refuses to be harangued into willingly handing over this sort of information about myself to facebook et al, so i'm stating in writing that I do not give you permission to share anything about me without my express permission. I'm sure you'll understand and comply.

Ps: do you have a TV license registered at your address?
A wise man once told me that "it depends". I sometimes agree.
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