Kimosabe wrote: Imagine being told to calm down at the point that you've just about had enough of people halving your personal space?
Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:Kimosabe wrote: Imagine being told to calm down at the point that you've just about had enough of people halving your personal space?
Surely the people being told to calm down are the tailgaters? They're in charge of their own personal space. If they want more, all they have to do is drop back. I fail to see how the innocent motorist in front (unless they pulled out in the path of someone going faster, already inside the 2 second following distance) is to blame for "halving the personal space" of the impatient driver behind? Perhaps I've misunderstood?
Kimosabe wrote:I think this is about right. If a driver is following at a distance of 80m at 70mph, they have a couple of seconds to react to the vehicle infront. Halve that distance to 40m and the speed they should be traveling at is less than 30mph but they now have about a second to react at 70mph. This dangerous behaviour causes stress, anger, more stress and probably aggression. That's also easy to understand until emotions set reason aside.
I was just considering things from a possibility of the tailgater's perspective and what incitement to impatience that motorist may experience during those times when someone will not budge from the inside lane for miles ie what causes them to tailgate?
Kimosabe wrote:Stuff that's true.
Without wanting to divert this important point too much, this is why I have always disagreed with the pre-overtaking 'following' distance/ position as taught to associates by IAM/RoADAR, as it is a clear breach of 'the two-second rule' and I ain't no fool. (looks for MR T emoji)
TheInsanity1234 wrote:Kimosabe wrote:Stuff that's true.
Without wanting to divert this important point too much, this is why I have always disagreed with the pre-overtaking 'following' distance/ position as taught to associates by IAM/RoADAR, as it is a clear breach of 'the two-second rule' and I ain't no fool. (looks for MR T emoji)
On the rare occasion I've overtaken, I've never had a problem with leaving a 2 second gap, right up to the moment the overtake is on, at which point I will start indicating right (of course, after checking my mirrors! ) and accelerating, all while moving smoothly over to the offside. (That's come out a little garbled, but I hope it makes sense?)
waremark wrote:TheInsanity1234 wrote:Kimosabe wrote:Stuff that's true.
Without wanting to divert this important point too much, this is why I have always disagreed with the pre-overtaking 'following' distance/ position as taught to associates by IAM/RoADAR, as it is a clear breach of 'the two-second rule' and I ain't no fool. (looks for MR T emoji)
On the rare occasion I've overtaken, I've never had a problem with leaving a 2 second gap, right up to the moment the overtake is on, at which point I will start indicating right (of course, after checking my mirrors! ) and accelerating, all while moving smoothly over to the offside. (That's come out a little garbled, but I hope it makes sense?)
A safe approach but not the only one. Have you read Roadcraft on overtaking?
Do you think that indicating as you start to move to the offside is helpful to any other road users?
TheInsanity1234 wrote:waremark wrote:Do you think that indicating as you start to move to the offside is helpful to any other road users?
I want to clarify I usually start indicating after checking the offside mirror, and while indicating, I check my blindspot, then the offside mirror again before moving out into the offside lane.
I've found that indicating is generally a useful way of encouraging people behind me to hold back a moment while I move out to overtake, as I've had cases of people moving out and blocking an overtake I was about to take. The other thing it does is inform the overtakee that they're about to be passed, which kind of protects against them making sudden movements
waremark wrote:TheInsanity1234 wrote:waremark wrote:Do you think that indicating as you start to move to the offside is helpful to any other road users?
I want to clarify I usually start indicating after checking the offside mirror, and while indicating, I check my blindspot, then the offside mirror again before moving out into the offside lane.
I've found that indicating is generally a useful way of encouraging people behind me to hold back a moment while I move out to overtake, as I've had cases of people moving out and blocking an overtake I was about to take. The other thing it does is inform the overtakee that they're about to be passed, which kind of protects against them making sudden movements
I like your reply about indicating. What I was getting at is that if indicating is to be useful there has to be time for reaction to it before you manoeuvre. Actually, I don't believe that the overtaking target in front of you is at all likely to notice your indicator in his mirror but it may be useful for the person behind, as you say.
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