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by **driverpete** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:24 am

An interesting point and you are correct to suggest that if he allows you to reward him by picking up the tab then that is illegal. I suppose it all comes down to intent. If your friend accepts the meal as a reward he is breaking the law; if however you simply say "I'll pick up the tab because you're my mate" and he says "Thanks, good on yer" with no thought of what's gone before then who's to say? I've had the occasional bottle of wine as a "Thank you" from pupils; I suppose I should inform the taxman (and I'm not saying I haven't :wink:

) but no doubt my accountant will advise on that matter.

by **Horse** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:27 am

I hope your 'friend' had a nice meal

Interesting question, though, which leads to: when does 'barter' cross into 'payment'? [As far as HMRC are concerned, let alone DSA]

by **ROG** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:38 pm

Your friend does free favour for you and your son with no anticipation of renumeration

Later that year at Xmas you say thank you for all you have helped me with this year by giving a nice present to the friend

LEGAL

No specific payment has been made for 'driving lessons'

Its the same for us observers sometimes (rarely) when an associate will call round after passing the test and give a bottle of wine etc as a thank you for giving the time to them - as it is totally unexpected and is not specific for 'instructing' then its legal

by **jc2012** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:39 pm

by **Gareth** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:05 pm

jc2012 wrote:what is the reason for it being illegal to pay someone who isn't an ADI?

It's to protect unwary members of the public.

by **ROG** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:25 pm

Gareth wrote:
jc2012 wrote:what is the reason for it being illegal to pay someone who isn't an ADI?

It's to protect unwary members of the public.

The law is an ass in part of this issue

ADIs are trained for and needed for B cat provisional holders so they should be allowed to be paid for that - others should not because then we could have a free for all - not the safest thing to do

The problem is that the law extends to paid payment for any paid training for full B licence holders and that is ridiculous!!

by **Gareth** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:32 pm

ROG wrote:The problem is that the law extends to paid payment for any paid training for full B licence holders and that is ridiculous!!

While I understand the point, the ADI qualification is a qualification in teaching more than anything else.

by **7db** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:16 pm

The test is surely whether your friend could sue you if you didn't pay for the meal.

by **daz6215** » Sun Jun 24, 2012 9:53 am

Here is a quote from Dr Lisa Dorn learning to drive without a driving instructor shows no increase in crash risk compared with those using a driving instructor (3 studies)

And another,

Several studies show that novice driving style and parental driving style is strongly linked

80% of drivers think they are better than average. They can't all be right!

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