Vehicles with a gross vehicle weight exceeding rules require a driver to take a weekly rest
3.5 tonnes, or vehicle and trailer combinations period of at least 45 hours – that is an with a gross train weight of more than 3.5 uninterrupted period which is legally referred tonnes when used in connection with the to as a “regular weekly rest period”. There are carriage of goods or burden, are required to however, various other rules which mean that have tachographs fitted
DJL wrote: Okay, so license wise, I can stick L-plates on and have my girlfriend (who has a pre-1997 license) 'supervise' me.
Gingerpose wrote:With the stated vehicle and trailer you would need to have a tachograph. I think you would really need to borrow either a different trailer or a different car, in order to bring the maximum permissible weight (i.e not the actual weight, rather the maximum weight that the vehicle plus trailer are plated to carry) of the combination below 3500kg.
jont wrote:Can't you get your girlfriend just to drive it for you? Or another mate with a pre-1997 licence? It's likely to be less hassle than trying to understand the mess of laws surrounding this.
DJL wrote:Problem is, I've had a read around, and apparently anything with a GTW > 3500, when used for business purposes, requires a tachograph? or is that a loaded weight of > 3500?
Then I've also read that 'dual use' vehicles, such as passenger cars used for towing, are exempted when used for business (but not hire or reward)?
DJL wrote:ROG wrote:OOH GOODY - my subject
I was hoping you'd see this!
Are you the same R0G as on Pistonheads?
ROG wrote:They do not affect those with a pre 1997 B+E licence who wish to supervise a B+E learner.
All B licence holders have B+E provisional on the paper part of their licence and can tow an empty or loaded trailer on all roads including motorways.
The usual rules apply when a learner is driving -
The supervising driver must be aged over 21
The supervising driver must have held a B+E licence for at least 3 years
L plates must be fitted to the front of the vehicle and the rear of the trailer
Correct insurance for a B+E learner
ROG wrote:Many will find that passing the once in a lifetime B+E test is their best option so here is some info on that test
ROG wrote:DJL wrote:Problem is, I've had a read around, and apparently anything with a GTW > 3500, when used for business purposes, requires a tachograph? or is that a loaded weight of > 3500?
Then I've also read that 'dual use' vehicles, such as passenger cars used for towing, are exempted when used for business (but not hire or reward)?
The 3500 is the total MAM = vehicle GVW + trailer MAM (not actual weight)
DUAL PURPOSE VEHICLE = no O licence
CATERING TRAILER = not goods being delivered
DISTANCE ... OVER 50 KMS FROM BASE???
So to conclude - if 50kms or less in direct line from base and as the equipment is for the main part of your activity (not the driving) then you are exempt tacho
ROG wrote:It is daft that the supervising B+E driver does not have to be competent in doing it and neither do they have to be insured !!! - seriously (unless they actually drive it)
So inform insurer (usually no extra charge) fit L plates, put GF in car and well..... off you go
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