IVORTHE DRIVER wrote:Morning all,
I wonder how many of the problems cyclists have and indeed car drivers have with cyclists, is down to the fact that a bike is the only vehicle you can put on the road without any training.
Tolerance can be severely tested at times.
Ivor
Ancient wrote:gannet wrote:Ancient wrote:Was browsing Cyclecraft the other day. The chapter on cycle lanes is such an exercise in restraint that it is in fact entertaining!
"! It is a mistake to think that cycle facilities are inherently safer than using the general roads" and twelve more pages justifying this reasoning.
Im in two minds whether to get this book or not?
It is a good, sensible book, well written and (as above) entertaining in places. The advice is sound and I'll certainly be adapting some of my riding in accordance with the advice in there. I have been riding bicycles now for well over 40 years, survived nearly three decades riding in London and am IAM member, but we can all learn something. I disagree with some of it (we all climb hills differently after all) but recommend reading it. It is after all the basis for http://www.dft.gov.uk/bikeability/ and so officially endorsed.
What slightly surprised me was the emphasis on things that are taught as "advanced driving" which in Cyclecraft (and bikeability) are at most level2 (the first 'on road' level). This can only be be A Good Thing!![]()
From CTC shop it is slightly cheaper than elsewhere.
Edit to add: I don't just mean that I would recommend it to cyclists (which I do), I also recommend it to advanced drivers. Knowing how cyclists should be behaving (and why) can dispel many myths and help drivers understand (and therefore predict) cycle movements. One thing I was disappointed about with IAM training was the lack of awareness (in my observers at least) that overtaking cyclists is a skill that needs to be learned. Indeed I have never seen anything in IAM literature that deals with this.
AnalogueAndy wrote:IVORTHE DRIVER wrote:Morning all,
I wonder how many of the problems cyclists have and indeed car drivers have with cyclists, is down to the fact that a bike is the only vehicle you can put on the road without any training.
Tolerance can be severely tested at times.
Ivor
Yes idiots on bikes are often very annoying (don't get me started), to the extent that I have to admit that when I'm on the bike and some moron jumps a red in front of me I do occasionally react and offering "words of advice" when I invariably pass them just up the road!
gannet wrote:AnalogueAndy wrote:Yes idiots on bikes are often very annoying (don't get me started), to the extent that I have to admit that when I'm on the bike and some moron jumps a red in front of me I do occasionally react and offering "words of advice" when I invariably pass them just up the road!
ah, you do that too
and riders without lights p*ss me off too.
jont wrote:gannet wrote:AnalogueAndy wrote:Yes idiots on bikes are often very annoying (don't get me started), to the extent that I have to admit that when I'm on the bike and some moron jumps a red in front of me I do occasionally react and offering "words of advice" when I invariably pass them just up the road!
ah, you do that too
and riders without lights p*ss me off too.
Don't get me started. During the winter I often wondered why PCSOs (who often seem to patrol the Bristol cycle path) weren't stopping everyone without lights - would seem a very good use of their time. Even better would be say a £30 FPN and out of that you could give them a £10 set of lights.
AnalogueAndy wrote:IVORTHE DRIVER wrote:Morning all,
I wonder how many of the problems cyclists have and indeed car drivers have with cyclists, is down to the fact that a bike is the only vehicle you can put on the road without any training.
Tolerance can be severely tested at times.
Ivor
Interesting threadNice to see again that so many of us on here ride bikes or at least have a better appreciation of life from the cyclists viewpoint. Any other similar post on any other 'motoring' forum would have degenerated into a "let's have a go at cyclists" thread by now!
gannet wrote:several I have seen - black wearing black clothing with no reflective parts riding a black bike, beggars belief
Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:Yeah I know. I thought I'd put that in to show we all c*ck it up from time to time.
Stupidly, I was trying to make life easier for some motorists who were following me along a single-track road. I decided to divert into a little tarmac parking area at the side of the road to allow them to pass, but as I crossed into it, my tyre slid along the edge of a tiny kerb and I wobbled. My front brake cable broke (cue calls for MOTs for bicycles) and I ended up in the barbed wire. I've learnt my lesson - from now on the motorists will have to wait
Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:Both groups seem to forget conveniently that the majority of the other group is composed of sensible, competent individuals, and concentrate on the antics of the minority.
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