Car or Driver

[Silk]

Which is more important?

For me it's driver every time.

[trashbat]

How about: the driver avoids getting into trouble, and the car gets them out when they fail?

[Silk]

How about: the driver avoids getting into trouble, and the car gets them out when they fail?

How about the drivers who rely on the car to get them out of trouble when they fail?

[Standard Dave]

For a safe smooth drive the driver is key.

If it's going fast in a straight line the car is the most important factor.

[ScoobyChris]

Are they not yin and yang?

Chris

[dombooth]

What's the point in having one without the other?

Dom

[WhoseGeneration]

Which is more important?

For me it's driver every time.

I agree. Whatever the car, however many "aids", it is still the Human at the wheel who will decide.
For now.

[martine]

If it's going fast in a straight line the car is the most important factor.

Something like this?

http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/


(Martin - Bloodhound Ambassador)

[Standard Dave]

If it's going fast in a straight line the car is the most important factor.

Something like this?

http://www.bloodhoundssc.com/


(Martin - Bloodhound Ambassador)

Stick the same driver in a less capable vehicle and it won't go as fast in a straight line, so yes.

[martine]

Stick the same driver in a less capable vehicle and it won't go as fast in a straight line, so yes.

Stick a less capable driver (not Andy Green) in the same vehicle (Bloodhound SSC) and it won't go as fast in a straight line...

[jameslb101]

Stick the same driver in a less capable vehicle and it won't go as fast in a straight line, so yes.

Stick a less capable driver (not Andy Green) in the same vehicle (Bloodhound SSC) and it won't go as fast in a straight line...

Can I be the one who puts that to the test? Please?

[jcochrane]

How about: the driver avoids getting into trouble, and the car gets them out when they fail?

How about the drivers who rely on the car to get them out of trouble when they fail?

Sounds as if you are suggesting that "a body" of drivers exist who either deliberately drive to trigger a car's safety devices or to some degree rely on the features/technology of todays cars to avoid getting into trouble in normal driving.

The law says I must change my tyres at 1.6mm. In practice I change them at 3mm because I know they will perform better in the wet and will provide more safety. We are told that below 1.6mm a tyres ability to perform in the wet reduces dramatically. Because I do this would you include me in your "body" of drivers?

[knighterrant]

Sounds as if you are suggesting that "a body" of drivers exist who ... to some degree rely on the features/technology of todays cars to avoid getting into trouble in normal driving.

I'd suggest that that's the vast majority of drivers on our roads. Most of them probably even have no idea of the technology, they just know that cars are inherently safer so subconsciously (or even consciously for many) they'll drive with less care in the knowledge that the car will sort it out for them, or at least save them getting injured too much when it really goes wrong!

The law says I must change my tyres at 1.6mm.

I could be wrong, but I thought the law said you must change your tyres BEFORE they get down to 1.6mm. Those of us who change at around 3mm are doing just that.

[jcochrane]

Sounds as if you are suggesting that "a body" of drivers exist who ... to some degree rely on the features/technology of todays cars to avoid getting into trouble in normal driving.

I'd suggest that that's the vast majority of drivers on our roads. Most of them probably even have no idea of the technology, they just know that cars are inherently safer so subconsciously (or even consciously for many) they'll drive with less care in the knowledge that the car will sort it out for them, or at least save them getting injured too much when it really goes wrong!

The law says I must change my tyres at 1.6mm.

I could be wrong, but I thought the law said you must change your tyres BEFORE they get down to 1.6mm. Those of us who change at around 3mm are doing just that.

The argument above could of course apply to any advancement in car technology but I was querying how to get grip from summer tyres when conditions exceeds the limit of the compound to grip. As silk's comments have links to his views expressed in the thread on tyres.

I am no expert in law but I thought the law read something like "A minimum of 1.6mm in a continuous band throughout the central three-quarters of the tread width, throughout the whole of the circumference." There are others well versed in the law whom I'm sure will put me right on this and slap me on the wrist for misquoting the law.

[Silk]

Stick the same driver in a less capable vehicle and it won't go as fast in a straight line, so yes.

Stick a less capable driver (not Andy Green) in the same vehicle (Bloodhound SSC) and it won't go as fast in a straight line...

I'm sure I could go as fast. It'd be the straight line bit I'd have a problem with. Not the mention the bravery (stupidity?) of getting in it in the first place.