GJD wrote:Ralge wrote:So we are probably agreeing, then, that being on a test puts us under pressure to look for the overtake that we might not look for on another day.
I don't think so. At least, I wouldn't put it like that. 'Under pressure' sounds uncomfortable to me, as if I might be expected to look for the overtake that I wouldn't look for on any other day.
Being on test doesn't put me under any pressure to look for any more overtakes than I would on any other day, unless that other day was one when I didn't happen to feel like making best use of my overtaking ability for whatever reason.
Ralge wrote:To put it straight, if AD is only about full-bore, red-blooded, macho driving and "if you don't do it you're a wuss/silver", I'm sending my badges back. Thankfully, I don't think of AD in that light so I'm holding on to them AND to my work.
Ralge wrote:GJD wrote:Being on test doesn't put me under any pressure to look for any more overtakes than I would on any other day, unless that other day was one when I didn't happen to feel like making best use of my overtaking ability for whatever reason.
"Under pressure" may have been too strong a phrase but I know that my natural driving style is more defensive, stoical rather than progressive - I'm stuck behind a line of cars on rural A17, A47, so what? in this frame of mind, I wouldn't bother to get into an overtaking position and i don't need to find an excuse why I haven't because the information I have already got can't be bettered. In "defensive", I got silver. Switching on to "progressive" got me Gold and a Diploma and through re-tests. Others are more naturally progressive, it's a part of their personality.
Horse wrote:
Interesting, then, that this comparison involves the necessity of exposing oneself to higher risk* to obtain a higher grade . . .
* I doubt there can be many occasions when attempting an overtake is safer than maintaining a reasonable following distance.
Horse wrote:Ralge wrote:In "defensive", I got silver. Switching on to "progressive" got me Gold
Interesting, then, that this comparison involves the necessity of exposing oneself to higher risk* to obtain a higher grade . . .
Horse wrote:Interesting, then, that this comparison involves the necessity of exposing oneself to higher risk* to obtain a higher grade . . .
* I doubt there can be many occasions when attempting an overtake is safer than maintaining a reasonable following distance.
hir wrote: If risk is perceived as a problem in this context then the safest option, of course, would be to stay at home and refuse to take the re-test. That would definitely involve the least risk if that is what one is seeking to achieve - one wouldn't even have worry about whether one's "reasonable following distance" was reasonably reasonable.
Gareth wrote:I think it's more likely that Ralge was more switched on when the higher grades were achieved, and that Ralge finds being switched on for the duration of a RoADAR test fairly uncomfortable so prefers not to do it all that much.
To achieve a RoADAR Gold means subjecting oneself to the assessment of a more experienced driver; I feel more comfortable with their assessments that Ralge didn't drive less safely than for the Silver drives, irrespective of how Ralge prefers to describe the difference.
Horse wrote:Gareth wrote:I think it's more likely that Ralge was more switched on when the higher grades were achieved
I'd be intrigued to hear how overtaking can be safer than holding back. Pray tell
Gareth wrote:You seem to be creating an argument by taking what Ralge said, applying some spin to it, and making it appear that something was said other than what was written.
Horse wrote:Gareth wrote:You seem to be creating an argument by taking what Ralge said, applying some spin to it, and making it appear that something was said other than what was written.
OK, fair enough.
Let's take Ralge out of the equation and reduce it to a simple question:
Is it safer to overtake, or remain in a stream of traffic. (All things being equal)
Simple question, surely?
dombooth wrote:Horse wrote: Let's take Ralge out of the equation and reduce it to a simple question:
Is it safer to overtake, or remain in a stream of traffic. (All things being equal)
Simple question, surely?
It depends.
Dom
Horse wrote:Serious answer is that I can only think of one scenario where overtaking might reduce risk (and, even then, possibly as a temporary solution or delay). I'd be interested to hear what other examples people could suggest. If there aren't any more, isn't that something to raise concern . . . ?
Horse wrote:dombooth wrote:Horse wrote: Let's take Ralge out of the equation and reduce it to a simple question:
Is it safer to overtake, or remain in a stream of traffic. (All things being equal)
Simple question, surely?
It depends.
Dom
On . . . ?
Serious answer is that I can only think of one scenario where overtaking might reduce risk (and, even then, possibly as a temporary solution or delay). I'd be interested to hear what other examples people could suggest. If there aren't any more, isn't that something to raise concern . . . ?
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