MGF wrote:jcochrane wrote:MGF wrote:Reading some comments from HPC candidates it appears to me that people confuse wanting to improve their driving with wanting to be 'accepted' into the Club.
The course is simply there to get you into the Club notwithstanding the coaching is beneficial in itself.
You state this as a fact, which completely amazes me.
It is a current reality.jcochrane wrote:When I took the course the Club did not exist. You see my problem? How can you take a "course that is simply there to get you into the Club" when the Club does not exist?
My truth is at variance to yours. So which of us is telling the truth?
Your "statement of fact" implies that those meetings I had with two others who had completed the course to share our dreams as to how we could bring about the creation of a real active club (HPC) are no more than the figment of imagination of an old man. This is insulting and a retraction and apology are due.
To be strictly accurate The High Performance Course has not existed for a number of years.
Using the term 'course' today is perhaps slightly misleading and a hang up from the days of The High Performance Course. The position today is that should you choose to go to one of the appointed Gatekeepers for training to improve your driving they will, like any other instructor, discuss with you what you what to get out of the training. If you say that your goal is to get to the standard of HPC entry (and that does not have to be what you want to achieve) then the instructor will structure the training and assess your performance against that standard.
Ignoring the predictable (although not from you) arrogant demand for an apology, now we are back onto the relevant point. That is the current 2.5 day course.
MGF wrote:If you want to improve your driving, book some time with a few professional coaches and maybe stick with the one you think works best for you. But don't limit yourself to the two HPC gatekeepers unless your goal is membership of the Club. That appears to me to be axiomatic.
MGF wrote:But if wanting to be a member of HPC is, simply, the consequence of wanting to be a better driver anyone wanting to be a better driver would want to be a member of HPC. I think that is far from correct.
Silk wrote:MGF wrote:But if wanting to be a member of HPC is, simply, the consequence of wanting to be a better driver anyone wanting to be a better driver would want to be a member of HPC. I think that is far from correct.
That really sums up my problem with HPC (at least how it's represented by some on this forum). There seems to be an assumption that anyone who doesn't wish to join HPC isn't interested in improving their driving beyond a certain level. That comes across as arrogant, even if it isn't intentional.
jcochrane wrote:...Arrogant. I'm sure others will make their own minds up as to which of us is the better informed in this.
zadocbrown wrote:...Joining HPC is one of many routes to improving your driving and who would deny it?.
MGF wrote:jcochrane wrote:...Arrogant. I'm sure others will make their own minds up as to which of us is the better informed in this.
The myth that contributors from HPC seek to create is that "nobody understands us". Anybody daring to comment in any way that does not meet with their approval is labelled as "misinformed" and "prejudiced". This labeling is then followed by a demand for an apology. Indeed stefan einz has gone as far as to tell me he has requested that the mods temporarily ban me so I can "reflect" on my comments.
It is these demands that are arrogant.
MGF wrote:Improving your driving comes from professional coaching which is more widely available than the through the gatekeepers of HPC.
MGF wrote:I agree with Silk insofar that HPC does appear to be misrepresented (at least as much from without than within) as an option for improving one's driving rather than a Club with benefits that belonging to the Club might offer its members.
MrToad wrote:
If I ever get round to joining, the main benefit I'm anticipating is free access to people that I can learn from. I don't imagine many of these will be professional coaches - just experienced, thinking drivers.
MGF wrote:Joining HPC is not about improving you driving. Joining HPC is merely about the benefits of Club membership.
StressedDave wrote:Go back 10 years and people would visit a gatekeeper because of his reputation as a coach rather than the potential to grant a recommendation for entry to the Club.
StressedDave wrote:the desire for HPC membership, by which I mean people actually talking about it and publicly stating their intentions thus, is growing far more than I can ever remember.
Gareth wrote:You might think that ADUK fills the need, but the reality is that without support from HPC members posting on the forum, arranging and taking part in informal days, it would be very different beast - for example, 12 of the 24 top posters are or have been club members, and club members are normally a fair proportion of those taking part in the driving days.
jont wrote:I wonder what those numbers would have been in say 2007/2008.
MGF wrote:There are plenty of others to choose from and personally my first choice would not be either of these two.
MGF wrote:That was my point but stefan einz claims the driving is not being assessed over two days. If that is the case then the course would have value in itself. Maintaining a standard over two days, or even one day is significantly more challenging than 90 minutes.
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