fungus wrote:There's no question of blame. The biker can blame no one but himself.
Perhaps he needs to develop spatial awareness.
Sod spatial awareness, some brain cells would be a good start.
Cheers
Kimosabe wrote:So the grey area where filtering becomes undertaking between moving cars, is also my responsibility. At what speed and under which circumstances does a motorcycle filtering become undertaking or even recklessness?
Kimosabe wrote:One of the most frequently given reasons given to me to check all three mirrors more than I do is the 'what if a motorcyclist or cyclist were to try to pass me on the inside (undertake) and I hadn't seen them coming when I last looked a short while ago?' In nearly three decades of driving, this has never happened, so why am I checking? The reply normally given is 'there's always a first time'. It's the 'what ifs'.
I find dealing with hypothetical non-outcomes such as this mildly frustrating to say the least, given that it appears to be the case that if I were to squish someone that daft, part of the blame would be directed at me for not first checking for another's stupidity and changing my plan accordingly.
So the grey area where filtering becomes undertaking between moving cars, is also my responsibility. At what speed and under which circumstances does a motorcycle filtering become undertaking or even recklessness?
Ancient wrote:As for 'undertaking' being "stupid": I wonder why road engineers put the cycle lane up the nearside of the road so often (even when it is narrower than the typical bicycle).
Ancient wrote:Who would be stupid enough to walk along a country road with no pavements?
fungus wrote:Ancient wrote:As for 'undertaking' being "stupid": I wonder why road engineers put the cycle lane up the nearside of the road so often (even when it is narrower than the typical bicycle).
Or this one that's so wide you have to drive in it if there is oncoming traffic.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=50.739082,- ... 47,,0,4.75
TripleS wrote:Ancient wrote:Who would be stupid enough to walk along a country road with no pavements?
Well, me, for a start.
As a matter of fact, when I'm in the car I quite often meet people walking on country roads where there are no pavements. Many of them are people doing the Coast to Coast walk, but the Whitby area is good walking country generally; and it is not rare to encounter horse riders too.
I wouldn't want any of them to be deterred from using the road, just because there is no pavement.
TripleS wrote:fungus wrote:Ancient wrote:As for 'undertaking' being "stupid": I wonder why road engineers put the cycle lane up the nearside of the road so often (even when it is narrower than the typical bicycle).
Or this one that's so wide you have to drive in it if there is oncoming traffic.
https://maps.google.com/?ll=50.739082,- ... 47,,0,4.75
The same thing is seen on the A591 at Ambleside & Waterhead in Cumbria; and along Station Road, the A61, in Thirsk the lane marked out for vehicles is barely sufficient to accommodate a tidy driven small car, let along anything larger.
TripleS wrote:My thanks to Ancient for his comments.
TBH I would prefer not to have cycle lanes or special provision for particular groups. What I would rather have is a situation where all road user groups understand each others situation and requirements, and make suitable accommodation for each other.
....but then I do get some very odd ideas at times.
Ancient wrote:TripleS wrote:My thanks to Ancient for his comments.
TBH I would prefer not to have cycle lanes or special provision for particular groups. What I would rather have is a situation where all road user groups understand each others situation and requirements, and make suitable accommodation for each other.
....but then I do get some very odd ideas at times.
Sorry TripleS, I didn't mean to lecture .
Indeed, within the 'cycling community' (as I'm sure you know) there is a strong feeling that cycle farcilities promote the attitude that cyclists are somehow a group of 'others'. Most experienced cyclists (IME), especially those who view cycling as a means of transport rather than a leisure activity, dislike these lanes intensely. On the other hand, many who don't cycle (but would like to do so, for transport, health benefits or simple enjoyment) feel that the roads are too unsafe unless there is special provision for them. Once they gain confidence however, some of these convert to the understanding that the roads are often safest without the lanes ...
TripleS wrote:My thanks to Ancient for his comments.
TBH I would prefer not to have cycle lanes or special provision for particular groups. What I would rather have is a situation where all road user groups understand each others situation and requirements, and make suitable accommodation for each other.
....but then I do get some very odd ideas at times.
Ancient wrote:Actually the lane illustrated by fungus makes perfect sense, it's just that most drivers (including fungus? and TripleS??) don't understand what cycle lanes are.
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