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TheInsanity1234 wrote:I find people who don't treat limits as targets when appropriate exceedingly annoying

………like in some of our lanes where they are perforated?

Graham Wright wrote:

TheInsanity1234 wrote:I find people who don't treat limits as targets when appropriate exceedingly annoying

Me too! I'm also prone to considering some posted limits as advisory but only when i'm certain that what i'm doing is safe and unobserved.

I'd like to see NSL signs replaced with signed speed limits in numbers, in the hope that some drivers might respond accordingly. I'd also like to see a second 'Advanced' part of a standard civilian driving license added before a driver is considered to be fully competent. By doing so, AD would not be considered such a niche group activity. It's not as if many ADI's can't already coach to that level and a lower insurance premium after successfully completing the course, could be the carrot that entices drivers to take it. Just my thoughts.

Kimosabe wrote:I'd like to see NSL signs replaced with signed speed limits in numbers, in the hope that some drivers might respond accordingly.

Nope. Get rid of them altogether. Stop providing drivers with the crutch of a number on a stick. It's almost never the safe maximum speed for a given section of road.

There are still an awful lot of people out there who think that single carriageway NSL is 50. Found this out when I did a speed awareness thingy, and I was surprised how many of the group had it wrong.

Kimosabe wrote:...It's not as if many ADI's can't already coach to that level...

I would suggest the majority of ADI's couldn't coach (or drive) to AD level.

jont wrote:

Kimosabe wrote:I'd like to see NSL signs replaced with signed speed limits in numbers, in the hope that some drivers might respond accordingly.

Nope. Get rid of them altogether. Stop providing drivers with the crutch of a number on a stick. It's almost never the safe maximum speed for a given section of road.

Fair point and I agree in principle but I think the easier it is for people to know what to do, the better. If that means numbers on sticks, so be it. At least numbers would mean more to most drivers than a diagonal black line on a white background.

An enlightened driver recently told me that treating 40-ish mph drivers in NSL's as potential players in a game, was a good way to encourage strategising. I'm certain that a more powerful car is the solution to this for me and the missus just sighs...

You can't really have numbers on a stick instead of a diagonal black line because the NSL varies with type of vehicle.

triquet wrote:You can't really have numbers on a stick instead of a diagonal black line because the NSL varies with type of vehicle.

And yet 50mph limits are routinely indicated by a 50 even though trucks are subject to a 40 limit (and here in Scotland we have been putting 70 signs on motorways since the 1960s).

The purpose of road signs are to indicate the speed limit that applies to a road, not the speed that applies to a vehicle.

michael769 wrote:

triquet wrote:You can't really have numbers on a stick instead of a diagonal black line because the NSL varies with type of vehicle.

And yet 50mph limits are routinely indicated by a 50 even though trucks are subject to a 40 limit (and here in Scotland we have been putting 70 signs on motorways since the 1960s).

The purpose of road signs are to indicate the speed limit that applies to a road, not the speed that applies to a vehicle.

You have a point. The other problem is that if one had numbers on sticks there might be some obscure legal requirement to have repeaters whereas an NSL applies until there is another limit sign. Whatever. I just wish that there was consistency about the application of speed limits.

triquet wrote:I just wish that there was consistency about the application of speed limits.

Oh there is...here in South Gloucestershire you can rely on previously fine NSLs being made 50

martine wrote:

triquet wrote:I just wish that there was consistency about the application of speed limits.

Oh there is...here in South Gloucestershire you can rely on previously fine NSLs being made 50

And they are consistent in ignoring the DfT guidelines

There are some weird limits here in Oxfordshire, where a nice open country road can have an NSL, a 50, a 40, or a 30 just on some mysterious local whim.

triquet wrote:There are some weird limits here in Oxfordshire, where a nice open country road can have an NSL, a 50, a 40, or a 30 just on some mysterious local whim.

Indeed. I know the road that goes directly from Newbury to Wantage past Snelsmore Common is NSL while it's in Berkshire, but shortly after crossing the border, it goes down to 50, and suddenly goes back up to 60 for no palpable reason.

TheInsanity1234 wrote:

triquet wrote:There are some weird limits here in Oxfordshire, where a nice open country road can have an NSL, a 50, a 40, or a 30 just on some mysterious local whim.

Indeed. I know the road that goes directly from Newbury to Wantage past Snelsmore Common is NSL while it's in Berkshire, but shortly after crossing the border, it goes down to 50, and suddenly goes back up to 60 for no palpable reason.

Yes I know that one. Oxfordshire and Berkshire seem to have quite different policies on speed limits (as well as road maintenance).

triquet wrote:

TheInsanity1234 wrote:

triquet wrote:There are some weird limits here in Oxfordshire, where a nice open country road can have an NSL, a 50, a 40, or a 30 just on some mysterious local whim.

Indeed. I know the road that goes directly from Newbury to Wantage past Snelsmore Common is NSL while it's in Berkshire, but shortly after crossing the border, it goes down to 50, and suddenly goes back up to 60 for no palpable reason.

Yes I know that one. Oxfordshire and Berkshire seem to have quite different policies on speed limits (as well as road maintenance).

Indeed.

I seem to notice that Berkshire seem to be okay-ish, but Oxfordshire is a bit NSL-50 happy.