StressedDave wrote:RobC wrote:Reducing the speed limit in accident blackspots may not be the answer but possibly its better than doing nothing and waiting for the next fatality
But just changing the number on the stick will do nothing. It doesn't even tally with using the three 'E's as there's no education, no change in engineering that would make the road safer and unless you're particularly unlucky, no enforement either.
Ancient wrote:Would you consider the drivers on the original Italian Job as "Advanced Drivers" (the characters, not the actors)?
RobC wrote:TripleS wrote:Based on my observations, whenever there's been a bad shunt on rural roads in our part of the country, there's a clamour for a reduced speed limit on that section of road. What these people fail to recognise is that many of these shunts happen to people who take no notice of the limits anyhow; so lowering the limit isn't going to help.
Reducing the speed limit in accident blackspots may not be the answer but possibly its better than doing nothing and waiting for the next fatality
mefoster wrote:RobC wrote:Ancient wrote:Would you consider the drivers on the original Italian Job as "Advanced Drivers" (the characters, not the actors)?
Stunt driving is not the same skill, they may be skilled drivers but they cant call themselves IAM or Rospa members unless they are.
Or do you think AD begins and ends with those two organisations?
RobC wrote:StressedDave wrote:RobC wrote:Sounds like a boy racers charter. Unfortunately Speed limits ARE a target to some.
What you would find is a lot more 17 to 24 year olds killing themselves driving their Corsa's albeit at perfectly legal speeds .
I doubt a change to the speed limit would do anything to the accident rate as it is relatively ignored once traffic density is reduced.
If that were the case it would be pointless having speed limits
RobC wrote: If they thought they were going to die or be seriously injured then perhaps they would drive differently
Horse wrote:RobC wrote: If they thought they were going to die or be seriously injured then perhaps they would drive differently
Do any drivers, excepting a few who are truly suicidal, deliberately make choices which they know make result in death or serious injury? Surely most make decisions they - rightly or wrongly - think they'll get away with . . .
Horse wrote:RobC wrote: If they thought they were going to die or be seriously injured then perhaps they would drive differently
Do any drivers, excepting a few who are truly suicidal, deliberately make choices which they know make result in death or serious injury? Surely most make decisions they - rightly or wrongly - think they'll get away with . . .
akirk wrote:Horse wrote:RobC wrote: If they thought they were going to die or be seriously injured then perhaps they would drive differently
Do any drivers, excepting a few who are truly suicidal, deliberately make choices which they know make result in death or serious injury? Surely most make decisions they - rightly or wrongly - think they'll get away with . . .
I think that they frequently make those decisions deliberately - but the disconnect lies in not accepting / seeing / understanding the link between those decisions and the likely consequences...
RobC wrote:What would be your definition of AD?
JamesAllport wrote:RobC wrote:What would be your definition of AD?
Someone who appreciates that there's always something new to learn and that they're only as good as the worst bit of their last drive.
Horse wrote:akirk wrote:Horse wrote:Do any drivers, excepting a few who are truly suicidal, deliberately make choices which they know make result in death or serious injury? Surely most make decisions they - rightly or wrongly - think they'll get away with . . .
I think that they frequently make those decisions deliberately - but the disconnect lies in not accepting / seeing / understanding the link between those decisions and the likely consequences...
OK, so when even 'advanced' drivers can make mistakes, how can that be changed?
Horse wrote:JamesAllport wrote:RobC wrote:What would be your definition of AD?
Someone who appreciates that there's always something new to learn and that they're only as good as the worst bit of their last drive.
So you could be an advanced driver but still be totally sh1t as long as you realised it?
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