Matt62 wrote:Well I suppose I am guilty of making an assumption, but many of the contributors to this site and probably all of us who have passed advanced tests refer regularly to Roadcraft; which does after all have significant connections to Police driver training.
There is also a certain (deserved in my view) deference towards the views of Police drivers on this and other similar sites.
In addition to this Police or ex Police drivers are heavily represented in 'advanced' driving - training, examining etc. and most of us seem to have good experiences of these individuals.
Matt62 wrote:Well I suppose I am guilty of making an assumption, but many of the contributors to this site and probably all of us who have passed advanced tests refer regularly to Roadcraft; which does after all have significant connections to Police driver training.
There is also a certain (deserved in my view) deference towards the views of Police drivers on this and other similar sites.
In addition to this Police or ex Police drivers are heavily represented in 'advanced' driving - training, examining etc. and most of us seem to have good experiences of these individuals.
jcochrane wrote:Matt62 wrote:Well I suppose I am guilty of making an assumption, but many of the contributors to this site and probably all of us who have passed advanced tests refer regularly to Roadcraft; which does after all have significant connections to Police driver training.
There is also a certain (deserved in my view) deference towards the views of Police drivers on this and other similar sites.
In addition to this Police or ex Police drivers are heavily represented in 'advanced' driving - training, examining etc. and most of us seem to have good experiences of these individuals.
The further I've delved into advanced driving and been willing to look beyond the familiar, comfortable confines of IAM, RoADA and Police driving the more I've come to understand there is much more to it than I had previously realised. Role models then change.
WhoseGeneration wrote:Matt62 wrote:Well I suppose I am guilty of making an assumption, but many of the contributors to this site and probably all of us who have passed advanced tests refer regularly to Roadcraft; which does after all have significant connections to Police driver training.
There is also a certain (deserved in my view) deference towards the views of Police drivers on this and other similar sites.
In addition to this Police or ex Police drivers are heavily represented in 'advanced' driving - training, examining etc. and most of us seem to have good experiences of these individuals.
It was the "in 'civilian' mode as role models" I was questioning, hence my selective quoting of your post.
Matt62 wrote:WhoseGeneration wrote:
It was the "in 'civilian' mode as role models" I was questioning, hence my selective quoting of your post.
Oh, Sorry - just a clumsy way of saying that we would probably not want to emulate driving techniques that are only appropriate for police work.
Stephen wrote: I am out there day in and day out going to the collisions seeing the poor driving along with the aggressive drivers along with the drivers who use their phone,speed,no seat belt cross solid white lines on the on and off the Motorway park within the confines of crossings the list goes on.
I also deal with incidents captured on CCTV cameras and from motorists who send in footage from dash cams, this along with my numerous colleagues who have there own work which we share and discuss,my opinion is from real life dealings not from Freedom of information requests or stats 19s.
So,for me that is my evidence that driving standards are declining or declined should I say, and a lot of it is due to having less traffic cops out there to Police the roads at times when these offences are being comitted.
If it was left to me the DVSA test at present would be at a basic advanced level with the basic advanced level being either the equivelent to a first or gold in terms of organisations standards.
I would have two parts to the ADI system one to teach PLH and the other to teach FLH and you either pass both or stick to one, but that is my opinion.
StressedDave wrote:WhoseGeneration wrote:Roadcraft only descibes how to drive safely with progress, there's nowt about "only appropriate for police work". Otherwise Roadcraft wouldn't be in the public domain.
Whilst this is true, the amount of progress available to a civilian driver is such that much that is described is, how can I say it, less than appropriate when shoehorned into a civilian training program.
Stephen wrote:
I am out there day in and day out going to the collisions seeing the poor driving along with the aggressive drivers along with the drivers who use their phone,speed,no seat belt cross solid white lines on the on and off the Motorway park within the confines of crossings the list goes on.
hir wrote:Stephen wrote:
I am out there day in and day out going to the collisions seeing the poor driving along with the aggressive drivers along with the drivers who use their phone,speed,no seat belt cross solid white lines on the on and off the Motorway park within the confines of crossings the list goes on.
I admire he work that you do, but is it possible that the nature of it has skewed your perception of driving standards?
Are you comparing like for like? For comparison purposes the real question is... in your experience are there more road traffic incidents now than there were (say) ten years ago and, if there has been an increase, is the cause of that increase the lowering of driving standards or some other factor over those ten years?
I don't know. I'm just asking.
Stephen wrote:Rob,
I dont want to start a war on differences between training but can you clarify your quote and give me an example of the ADI test no other extra gained qualifications that you may have "The ADI qualification includes training and examination to teach at all levels including FLHs"
I know part three could include an extended test, what I am interested in is the training that you receive during your three part ADI training that gives you the ADI the right to teach to Advanced level apart from the certificate of the ADI that says you can charge for training for me the DI training is all based around PLH or have I got it wrong.
StressedDave wrote:The stuff about observation and planning is applicable. The sections about steering method and abhorrence of gear overlap far less so. If you consider that Police Drivers will be right on the limit (if not over) point at all times where, in my experience, few civilian drivers are (I'm certainly not), then a manual set around that premise becomes less appropriate.
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