ADUK Archive

mefoster wrote:Progress is about movement, not speed

StressedDave wrote:But then I hate rule-based driving. I did once do a 23 car overtake (in one hit) because the idiots were blindly following a Police escort. Twas in a Ford Ka too.

mefoster wrote:It far more about being able to read road and traffic conditions ahead to allow you to take the path of least resistance and keep moving where others get themselves stuck. Progress is about movement, not speed or aggression.

Gareth wrote:

TripleS wrote:So, a driver who takes and passes an advanced test, ceases to be an advanced driver if he subsequently elects to drive part of the time in a leisurely fashion?

If, by leisurely, you mean the driver isn't paying attention to the road and other road users, isn't trying to be systematic when approaching hazards, isn't smooth and considered in the use of controls, then I'd agree.

StressedDave wrote:Personally I think you're all putting the cart before the horse.

waremark wrote:I cannot reconcile the term Advanced Driver with a 45 mph everywhere bimble. There has to be an answer to the Associate who says ' why would I speed up here when I am soon going to have to slow down again?' My answer is that you must be able to show that you have the skill and judgement to drive safely and smoothly when you are in a hurry.

StressedDave wrote:I did once do a 23 car overtake (in one hit) because the idiots were blindly following a Police escort. Twas in a Ford Ka too.

TripleS wrote:

StressedDave wrote:I did once do a 23 car overtake (in one hit) because the idiots were blindly following a Police escort. Twas in a Ford Ka too.

Oh dear, I now feel so inferior : my best was only about 11 in one go; and that was in a Pug 406 HDi.

akirk wrote:

Pontoneer wrote:I'm equally content to just bimble along at lower speeds

I am not sure that Bimbling along constitutes AD - or even actively driving

Pontoneer wrote:From the above , I would contend that speed does not equal progress , and that going fast does not equal being more advanced .

I think that there is very often a mis-understanding of advanced driving.
It is not about going fast
Making progress is not just about speed

If you are bimbling along you are not actively engaged in driving the car and the situation - AD is about being actively involved, not a passive driver and all too often sitting back and relaxing in a queue of traffic involves switching off and following the herd - that is not AD

AD can involve sitting in a queue and not choosing to pass, but that doesn't mean lack of engagement.
The top level AD is relaxed and calm in whatever move they are taking - whether they are patiently waiting, or actively passing

the problem is that the phrase 'making progress' is often assumed to refer to that boy-racer style driving of sitting on the bumper of the car in front - taking every opportunity of a mm spare to overtake, of seeing the car in front as a target to be hunted down and despatched... that is not AD - the advanced driver sits happily in a queue, but the mind is constantly aware of what is going on - if an opportunity arises they take it, if not then life is good and they carry on - as I was told by a high up coach - the AD drives faster than others, but also drives slower than others and that is key - a lot of people don't understand that in overtaking a string of 8 cars as I did last week on a long open road with no-one else bothering to overtake, I was equally happy a few miles later on to sit at 35 for 2 miles behind a 1931 Model A Ford

It is a total misconception that 'making progress' means driving as fast as you can - it means that you drive to the situation and take opportunities when they present themselves... a simple example:

there is a queue of cars ahead (3 cars) nice long road - do you join it sit back and chill for 15 minutes adding to the queue and now making it longer at 4 cars - or do you pass, keep yourself out of the queue and ensure that it is not so long a queue for others? If you make progress and have the opportunity - pass, if the other two cars behind the slower vehicle had also done the same, then there would be no queue, just one slow car for others to overtake - by not making progress you are building a worse scenario for others... it is not about driving like a nutcase it is about intelligent driving...

so you are right, speed does not equal progress
fast does not equal AD

but progress may require speed at times
AD may involve speed / going fast at times

and AD does mean making progress

Alasdair

Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:Off topic - can we please consider whether the need exists to quote an entire 50 line post just to reply to a small point within it, often just replying to the other poster saying "I agree". If you need to quote, perhaps consider cutting out just the salient portion which prompts you to reply.

Thanks

Pontoneer wrote:Hardly time critical indeed .

However , I , like many others , I imagine , don't live to spend my time posting on web fora , but rather use them to pass little bits of spare time , such as just now when I am on the train , or earlier when I had a period of insomnia , so the posts are either going to be made with whichever device I have to hand ( most often my phone ) or not at all .