High Performance / Precision Driving Forum?

[Darren]

Am I missing something with "added complexity". Whats complex? Maybe I can reduce it...

[ROG]

Am I missing something with "added complexity". Whats complex? Maybe I can reduce it...

Is the HPT site free to join? -If yes, then I expect those you are talking about probably discuss the finer points there and if we want to, we could join and look in. If no, then I can see the point in setting one up here.

[ScoobyChris]

Maybe instead of High Performance being measured as "above" IAM/RoSPA, it could be focussed on things such as car control, track driving, evasive driving, etc?

Chris

[Darren]

Is the HPT site free to join? -If yes, then I expect those you are talking about probably discuss the finer points there and if we want to, we could join and look in. If no, then I can see the point in setting one up here.

No you need to be a HPC member to have access to the HPC forum.

[TripleS]

Am I missing something with "added complexity". Whats complex? Maybe I can reduce it...

Perhaps 'added complexity' was not the right term, but I'd rather the site remained fairly simple and straightforward without too wide a range of forums.

Best wishes all,
Dave.

[ROG]

Is the HPT site free to join? -If yes, then I expect those you are talking about probably discuss the finer points there and if we want to, we could join and look in. If no, then I can see the point in setting one up here.

No you need to be a HPC member to have access to the HPC forum.

In that case, I can see a case for one BUT if the 'finer' points need discussing they are usually introduced by those 'in the know' in the relevant posts.

[James]

I agree with ROG, I would not want to alienate members or create the possibility of a virtual hierarchy, if that makes sense

[Darren]

I agree with ROG, I would not want to alienate members or create the possibility of a virtual hierarchy, if that makes sense

By the nature of driving, training, tuition there is already a virtual hierarchy in place. We already have it by having a "learner" forum.

[Standard Dave]

I agree with ROG, I would not want to alienate members or create the possibility of a virtual hierarchy, if that makes sense

By the nature of driving, training, tuition there is already a virtual hierarchy in place. We already have it by having a "learner" forum.

And also by the nature that some Emergency service staff, Driving instructors, HPC - IAM - ROSPA etc members train to do or talk about things that others cannot do.

I think everyone is aware that some individuals and organisations are operating to a higher standard that others.

[ROG]

I agree with ROG, I would not want to alienate members or create the possibility of a virtual hierarchy, if that makes sense

By the nature of driving, training, tuition there is already a virtual hierarchy in place. We already have it by having a "learner" forum.

And also by the nature that some Emergency service staff, Driving instructors, HPC - IAM - ROSPA etc members train to do or talk about things that others cannot do.

I think everyone is aware that some individuals and organisations are operating to a higher standard that others.

The only personal point that I would like to bring up is this.......
If I am being given advice by another, I like to know the 'credentials' of who is giving that advice. I do however, realise that for some on this site, that might not be prudent.

[Red Herring]

Why do you need to know their credentials Roger. Surely you can consider what an individual has to say and form a view from that. As Advanced drivers I would like to think we are all beyond doing things just because someone says so. I know I'm pretty obstinate sometimes but I've seen some very convincing argument since visiting this Forum and I have no problem with trying some of the suggestions out, whoever made them, and discarding a fair few of the others.

[ROG]

Perhaps I should have said "where they are coming from".

If I was to have an opinion on high speed persuit driving then it would not mean much as I do not do it but an opinion from an advanced police traffic officer would - if you get my drift.

[Gareth]

I can see the problem - that in what might start out as a discussion within the confines of what the IAM and RoADAR promote as Advanced Driving, someone with other experience may mention something that doesn't easily fit that definition leading to confusion by some readers.

This highlights why providing a separate forum is tricky - virtually none of the discussions that have included points beyond the IAM/RoADAR syllabus have set out to raise those points.

I'm guessing the most likely result of adding the proposed new forum is that it would, in general, carry a low volume of postings, and in addition the moderators would have a chunk of extra work in splitting out sections of threads that discussed points beyond the standard Advanced driving and moving them into the new forum, but this would lead to discontinuities in the original threads.

If a new forum is to be added, then I think some very clear guidelines will be needed to specify what is appropriate in the normal advanced versus what is better placed in the other advanced. I see the split between learner and advanced as a more natural split since there is a clear stage which goes in-between.

Overall I'm not in favour of adding a new forum.

[ipsg.glf]

In the same way as we do not see Police Driving Instructors giving detailed explanations of the various levels that they teach to, we should not have other people (no matter what organisation they claim - either overtly or discreetly - to represent) doing the same. Especially when the vast majority of them do not have formal teaching qualifications.

[Red Herring]

In the same way as we do not see Police Driving Instructors giving detailed explanations of the various levels that they teach to, we should not have other people (no matter what organisation they claim - either overtly or discreetly - to represent) doing the same. Especially when the vast majority of them do not have formal teaching qualifications.

I'm a little confused here. What exactly is the purpose of this forum if it is not for persons of different abilities and experiences to share and learn with others through discussion. For example an advanced police pursuit driver may be very skilled in certain aspects of driving, and they may be able to offer some tips on dealing with traffic hazards, but they can also appreciate the views from a civilian driver with regard to "normal driving" and how the public percieve police behaviour. Does someone need to be "qualified" before offering advice or a view. A Forum is only a discussion tool, not an instruction manual.