RobC wrote:mefoster wrote:RobC wrote:We are of course way off topic, though anyone reading this thread with a view to joining the IAM or Rospa may be a little surprised at some of the views expressed here.
The optimist in me would hope that they might find the views refreshing rather than surprising in the context that you imply. That same optimist in me would like to think that those seeking AD are those that actually like to *THINK* about their driving rather than blindly obeying "rules".
Of course, the realist in me knows differently.
But we are talking about speed limits here which are the law. Whatever you may THINK about speed limits, you MUST blindly obey the rules or face the consequencies.
And thus we go full circle with a discussion about a week ago!
Laws are man made - not all are good or right laws - laws can be changed, they are not absolute etc. etc. Yes of course you face consequences if you break laws as you do with any action you may choose... but does that make you morally corrupt - or 'non-advanced'? open to debate...
RobC wrote:Maybe not but you wont pass the IAM test if you exceed the speed limit and quite rightly in my view.
A driver with 2 or 3 speeding convictions will also pay more insurance than someone without advanced skills an a clean licence.
the IAM test is not the definition of advanced driving...
ref. driver and insurance - having worked in that industry - never quite that simple, but yes it would indicate additional risk...
I think some set theory is needed here:
I would hope that we would see that while there is an overlap between IAM and advanced driving, that is all it is - there is much more to advanced driving outside the IAM and plenty of different philosophies right or wrong
we should also see that there is no direct correlation between speeding points and advanced driving - they are not mutually exclusive - if advanced driving is about how the driver moves a vehicle from A to B and we can all I am sure agree that it covers concepts such as safety and smoothness, observation, etc. - but speed only comes into it as a consequence / decision from those other things. Many would agree that a top level police driver is an advanced driver - so if they go down the same motorway as you, you drive at 69 mph and they drive at 101 mph - and both are safe / appropriate / etc. - then we would have no issue in seeing them as an advanced driver - now if you do exactly the same as them, same conditions / setting, same skills and ability you would lose your licence... in that scenario we can clearly see that you would still have been an advanced driver, but you would have no licence...
so the two are not linked in the way you feel they are
Alasdair