true blue wrote:
In fact, my version says that one should "engage a chosen gear without going through an inermediate gear first"!
true blue wrote:WhoseGeneration wrote:RobC wrote:All Roadcraft says is to be in the right gear at the right time.
Says it all, upshifts are about progress, so, take all gears, downshifts approaching a hazard, brake or lift, select the appropriate gear to negotiate the hazard,whilst ensuring that gear will enable progress from that hazard. Really simple, if we're talking Roadcraft.
At some point, you don't need any more 'progress' and just want a sensible cruising gear.
I'm coming to the end of a 30mph village, in 3rd gear. I pass the NSL sign, and accelerate briskly up to 60mph in 3rd gear, nowhere near the redline. 5th is a sensible gear for a 60mph road with no twisties. Why would I go via 4th?
WhoseGeneration wrote:true blue wrote:
In fact, my version says that one should "engage a chosen gear without going through an inermediate gear first"!
If that's page 61, it says much more and your reference is just about being a driver able to be versatile in use of the gears, which, of course, is part of being a capable driver.
I could reference the "rapid progress" comment.
I refer you to my statement, "any other is free to do what suits them".
Eta, I don't want to get confrontational about this, because I'm sure all here are able to decide for theirselves how to use the gears in their vehicles to best suit their approach to driving.
My way suits me, your's you.
The issue of block changing was mentioned and xxxx said that this is never taught to Police drivers. He was
particularly scathing about the use of block changing whilst changing up – saying that this can
never be justified as it would mean over revving in a lower gear.
RobC wrote:Also as I said before this is my local examiners view on the subjectThe issue of block changing was mentioned and xxxx said that this is never taught to Police drivers. He was
particularly scathing about the use of block changing whilst changing up – saying that this can
never be justified as it would mean over revving in a lower gear.
akirk wrote:RobC wrote:Also as I said before this is my local examiners view on the subjectThe issue of block changing was mentioned and xxxx said that this is never taught to Police drivers. He was
particularly scathing about the use of block changing whilst changing up – saying that this can
never be justified as it would mean over revving in a lower gear.
here we should reference that other recent thread on revs / over-revving...
for an examiner to say this can never be justified is of course nonsense - really, for all cars / all gear boxes / all situations - it will always lead to over-revving?
with a decent petrol engine with a long rev range there are plenty of opportunities to block shift in either direction without going anywhere near rev limits etc. It isn't difficult to find a speed where for example the car could happily be in a number of gears without issue - driving a 911 earlier this year the owner commented that it could sit in 3rd all day as it would pull away in 3rd, and happily be totally illegal the other end in 3rd... that means that there are plenty of choices where 1 / 2 / 3 would be okay, or 2 / 3 / 4 or 3 / 4 / 5 - any point in an engine / gearbox combination where a range of 3+ gears would be possible allows block changing without over-revving I have owned a car where it would happily accelerate to the legal limit in 2 / 3 and then change across to 5th - in fact a number of my cars have been happy doing that...
Alasdair
RobC wrote:I agree with you and think its another case of an examiner being wrong, however Roadcraft gives virtually no mention of block changing and he is convinced he is right.
StressedDave wrote:Oh FFS...
Roadcraft is a manual for the tuition of Police drivers. It says lots of things that make sense operationally. They do not make sense when mangled into a way of driving without the benefit of the standard exemptions on speed and dangerousness (The latter being a construct of a CPS lawyer who, in his advice to a prosecution team somewhere in London, stated "the public expect the Police to arrive promptly at an incident. Therefore, in the vernacular, they are allowed to drive a little more dangerously than the general public". The incident in question being a PC failing to stop at a Give Way line where there was naff all vision and harpooning a car proceeding along the main road).
Now can we stop the various circular arguments which are along the lines of 'my examiner told me this and I think it is wrong and I'm going to spend several pages repeating myself'. Pretty much every examiner works on the NIH method. If it wasn't invented by his Police driving school, it doesn't exist.
StressedDave wrote:Oh FFS...
Now can we stop the various circular arguments which are along the lines of 'my examiner told me this and I think it is wrong and I'm going to spend several pages repeating myself'. Pretty much every examiner works on the NIH method. If it wasn't invented by his Police driving school, it doesn't exist.
StressedDave wrote:RobC wrote:StressedDave wrote:Oh FFS...
Now can we stop the various circular arguments which are along the lines of 'my examiner told me this and I think it is wrong and I'm going to spend several pages repeating myself'. Pretty much every examiner works on the NIH method. If it wasn't invented by his Police driving school, it doesn't exist.
I haven't met pretty much every AD examiner, but it doesn't sound like a good system to me!
It isn't but neither the IAM nor RoSPA seem particularly bothered with the idea of consistency or even ensuring that the examiners are singing from the same hymn sheet. Persumably this costs money that they don't really have.
Stephen wrote:On my advanced course it was a 5 week intense course in conjunction with reading my Roadcraft book and putting it into practise.
It did include block changing /intermediate etc whatever you want to call it ,this was encouraged both up and down the box with acc sense ,we also had to use acc sense as opposed to using brakes when overtaking this helped you get your observation , planning , and prioritising and going through each chapter and mistakes until inch perfect.
If you want to use and refer to Roadcraft then get it right if not go and get a course that teaches you how to to it correctly and practically, a little bit of knowledge is dangerous. I will stand back and wait for the fall out.
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