playtent wrote:Kimosabe wrote:
I passed the IAM test at F1rst level, first time and I didn't take the RoSPA test because it was mostly repetition, partly going to be as irritating, due to there being a link between the operational needs even of a Police Standard driver and civilian driving and because if there's a Gold, i'm going to get it and nothing less.
I'm not sure I understand the above paragraph. Are you saying RoSPA are testing more along the lines of the Police than the IAM?
Kimosabe wrote:I meant that my doing one course and test after another, as is often the case in AD, seemed pointless at the time due to evident crossovers ie repetition of dogmatic observer teaching styles with little comprehension of underlying principles. I wanted to gain more depth than that before taking any further training or tests after IAM, because I'm not good with "because a book says so". Now I've gained more depth, I'm happier to fit into a mould in order to pass a test, because I know that there is far more to AD than that which is covered at F1rst and Gold levels. I'll also be more aware of the abilities of an observer and won't have a lack of knowledge or experience to prevent me from spotting dogma etc.
fengpo wrote:To answer the question I put in for my test after 3 observed runs (he advised for me to put in for my test after 2 runs) and a pre test. A few months in between my observed runs so I read Roadcraft a few times. Watched Ultimate Driving Craft countless times and learnt lots of stuff that helped on test and in my daily driving. At the Cheddar ADUK day this year.
hir wrote:Having achieved an IAM F1RST you could take the RoSPA test immediately, without recourse to "dogmatic" RoSPA tutors or anyone else for that matter. You'd probably, but not necessarily, get RoSPA Gold, it just depends on what happens on the day of course. But, what you would have started was a process whereby you'll be re-tested every three years, so that you'll know that the "certificate hanging on he wall" is always valid....
Oscarmark wrote:In answer to the question about F1rst and Gold...
1 I know within 10 minutes of an IAM test what the result will be, generally.
2 A F1rst is a flawless drive, a polished drive. If I see a hazard developing and think, I would be doing this right now and then associate does it.
3 There are not many people that can hold it together for the whole test and produce the perfect drive.
Hope that helps?
StressedDave wrote:
Personally, I've yet to either deliver or receive the perfect drive. I believe there is a cup, hidden away in a dusty cupboard at Hendond for the first person who delivers this - along with a ticket enabling sex with a person, or indeed fauna, of your choice, a million billion pounds and some jammie dodgers. </doctor who>
hir wrote:Not sure that I really agree with you on this. Having achieved an IAM F1RST you could take the RoSPA test immediately, without recourse to "dogmatic" RoSPA tutors or anyone else for that matter. You'd probably, but not necessarily, get RoSPA Gold, it just depends on what happens on the day of course. But, what you would have started was a process whereby you'll be re-tested every three years, so that you'll know that the "certificate hanging on he wall" is always valid, and you have a standard to maintain, uphold and, if you wish to, improve upon. I agree that there... "are more things in heaven and earth, Than are dreamt of in the IAM and RoSPA philosophies"... but one can discover those things after setting one's course on the AD journey.
playtent wrote:StressedDave wrote:
Personally, I've yet to either deliver or receive the perfect drive. I believe there is a cup, hidden away in a dusty cupboard at Hendond for the first person who delivers this - along with a ticket enabling sex with a person, or indeed fauna, of your choice, a million billion pounds and some jammie dodgers. </doctor who>
I'm not surprised no one has been given the cup! With 2 week standard courses, a further 2 weeks to become advanced class 2 and then another 2 week class 1 to be able to pursue things proper, it sounds like they have really compacted the training to the minimum.
Cheers
Oscarmark wrote:The cars at Advanced level were Rover SD1 V8's, Vauxhall Senators and a smattering of Granadas. Cars then did not have airbags, ABS, Traction Control etc and driving at high speed was challenging to say the least. All the training was done in unmarked cars. Now they use BMW 535, Audi A6/8, Jaguars. They do however now complete Blues and Twos training in both marked and unmarked cars.
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