James wrote:Thats a very specific and personal term 7? What do you define as a submissive coach?
hpcdriver wrote:James wrote:Thats a very specific and personal term 7? What do you define as a submissive coach?
A 'submissive' coach. Is that something which is going to be banned by the proposed laws against violent pornography?
I think what DB means by an 'omissive' coach is one who does not say: 'You are over the speed limit, slow down'.
Personally, I think the chances of an aiding and abetting prosecution being brought against any sort of driving observer coach or instructor other than in the cases of a serious accident or of exceptionally high speeds are approximately zero. There are easier and more worthwhile prosecutions to be brought out there.
hpcdriver wrote:Personally, I think the chances of an aiding and abetting prosecution being brought against any sort of driving observer coach or instructor other than in the cases of a serious accident or of exceptionally high speeds are approximately zero. There are easier and more worthwhile prosecutions to be brought out there.
StressedDave wrote: From my experience, I spend lots of time getting people to slow down and I've yet to tell someone to speed up...
vonhosen wrote:My pointing out initially of all these things, was because it appeared the IAMs stance was being questioned. I honestly don't see in light of the legislation how they can take any other stance.
7db wrote:As his contracting manager was I negligent, complicit or guilty in not stopping him?
vonhosen wrote:http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/dcsc/news/News030704.htm
Gareth wrote:vonhosen wrote:http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/dcsc/news/News030704.htm
Interesting, but hardly the same an an unpaid IAM or RoADAR observer, is it?
A driving instructor is paid to take responsibility for teaching someone to drive. Many, if not most[1], have dual controls so the ADI can over-ride the pupil in circumstances such as the one in which this particular ADI was prosecuted.
Neither of these factors apply when IAM or RoADAR observers go out with associates who are hoping to improve their driving.
[1] The DSA claim that over 94% of cars used by ADI's for teaching are fitted with dual controls.
Gareth wrote:Interesting, but hardly the same an an unpaid IAM or RoADAR observer, is it?
hpcdriver wrote:Gareth wrote:Interesting, but hardly the same an an unpaid IAM or RoADAR observer, is it?
No. In addition to the differences you mention, the driver in this case was a learner, so greatly increasing the level of responsibility of the person supervising the session whether that person is paid for it or not.
I am slightly surprised that the charge was aiding and abetting, as I would have expected that a more direct charge would be available against a driver supervising a learner.
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