rlmr wrote:Looks like a revenue generating exercise... again
Rennie
Nigel wrote:Apparently the IAM lads are already recognised, ROSPA aren't (I'm not sure what the reasoning behind that is)
Nigel wrote:I've spoken to my local group motorcycle guy about this, to see how it affects the IAM bike lads.
I've read him the replies etc, as he is very familiar with the document, and he was surprised by the replies.
Apparently the IAM lads are already recognised, ROSPA aren't (I'm not sure what the reasoning behind that is)
I can't tempt him onto here, but he doesn't seem to think this is any problem to us.
Advanced Roadcraft wrote:But I didn't; I just couldn't be bothered. I focused on advanced bike training instead...now that's going to be centralised and regulated and strangled and reduced to the lowest common denominator as well.
rlmr wrote:Advanced Roadcraft wrote:But I didn't; I just couldn't be bothered. I focused on advanced bike training instead...now that's going to be centralised and regulated and strangled and reduced to the lowest common denominator as well.
To be quite honest I do not actually see this will happen... unless we all roll over and allow it. We keep the standards up and others will follow. There are actually a small band of folk in the DSA who ARE good advanced drivers and do know about Advanced Driving. It will take time to percolate through to the grass routes, but with our help....
Rennie
Advanced Roadcraft wrote:Yes, I know DSA staffers who are great ADs and all round good eggs. It's the corporate aspiration to rule the riding/driving instructional world from cradle to grave and the 'dumb down' culture I don't trust, not the individuals within it.
Advanced Roadcraft wrote:The IAM rolling over will IMHO mean, in the fullness of time, a universal rollover.
Nigel wrote:I realise I'm not as well informed as some of you, but I have a question, which may seem dim, but please humour me, as I like to know something of what is happening.
Firstly, I am an observer for the IAM ( I don't like the word either, but I also don't like the term "advanced driver/rider")
I observe for what I think are the right reasons, I was knocked over by what I was taught by my observer, experienced first hand how it improved my driving, my outlook, my safety, and made me feel a little more in control of things around me by using observation and keeping myself away from conflicts.
I like to give free assessments & guidance to anyone who is experiencing any kind of problem wth their driving (I'm being prevented from doing this by my group at present through sheer bloody minded politics, but I'm on the committe, and chipping away to get it back again)
I don't really care if they join or not, if they do its the icing on the cake, if they don't I still may have made a difference to them, and it costs no one anything except a little petrol.
Those above me seem to think I have some limited talent of understanding the system, being able to drive to it, and to be able to pass this system onto others who wish to learn.
So the question...why does advanced roadcraft think the IAM has rolled over somehow to allow me in my own free time, with no financial reward, to "observe" for others benefit ?
Nigel wrote:I can't do any of this without the IAM status, as thats what few qualifications I have are, DSA approved IAM senior observer, so I ask you again...how are the IAM rolling over by trying to allow people to help others ?
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