Rubber_Johnnie wrote:Reading the thread about driving overseas, I was struck by a thought. Is advanced driving the same around the world?
Does anyone have any experience of beng an advanced driver overseas? Are the techniques employed the same? Do advanced drivers even exist overseas in the same manner as we have here?
Rubber_Johnnie wrote:Does anyone have any experience of beng an advanced driver overseas? Are the techniques employed the same? Do advanced drivers even exist overseas in the same manner as we have here?
Police_Driver wrote:Rubber_Johnnie wrote:Reading the thread about driving overseas, I was struck by a thought. Is advanced driving the same around the world?
Does anyone have any experience of beng an advanced driver overseas? Are the techniques employed the same? Do advanced drivers even exist overseas in the same manner as we have here?
I have... absolutley no idea. They probably do bit I would like to think that we Brit's have a degree of finesse, skill and attitude at a higher level than the others.
hpcdriver wrote:Another interesting point to note is that what we regard as best driving practise in not necessarily taught elsewhere - for example, the Canadians teach rotational steering as the approved steering method.
Rubber_Johnnie wrote:Wow, thanks. Those numbers really show it, don't they.
I'm not sure I really want to drive on the continent now!!
TripleS wrote:...Even so, I still have the feeling that we could make a very useful improvement in road safety without a huge effort in formal training and testing, merely by the delivery of a few key messages via TV presentations.
Lady Godiva wrote:Dear Johnnie - I cannot comment on whether other countries are formally advanced. However , I have drivien in many countries abroad, including Greece, Turkey, USA, Canada, etc, etc. Some are excellent, are are very very scary indeed.
By the way, I read Mr. Vonhosen's link, and I wasn't sure exactly what the originator was saying. The reason I'm confused is that he demonstrated that we have the safest roads in Europe. He then said (and I quote):
"When the UK clearly has by far the safest roads in Europe, we have to ask why we also have the most anti-car government in Europe, if not the world.
The British government spends millions of pounds of public money on propaganda which gives the impression that our roads are the worst in Europe.
To implement it's so called "road safety" policy, it imposes speed cameras, traffic calming, speed humps, unreasonably low speed limits, bus lanes, road narrowing, and complete road closures. It covers our roads and pavements with a shambolic mess of white lines, red and green splodges, textured surfaces and obstructions.
Despite our motorways being the safest in Europe by a country mile, the government pig-headedly refuses to raise the utterly discredited 70 mph motorway speed limit."
The bit I'm confused about is that surely it would be reasonable to argue that all the above policies, cameras, humps, low speed limits, etc, are what have contributed to the best safety record. To take a specific point, could it be that our motorways are the safest in europe BECAUSE of the 70mph limit. Or our other roads are the safest in Europe BECAUSE of the white lines and signage.
Please not I am not suggesting anyone is wrong who thinks differently, or has an argument with any of the above policies. I just dont understand the logic that says we have these rules, and this result, so that proves the rules are unecessary .
Or is it just me.
Regards
Sally
hpcdriver wrote:Lady G, the basis for the comments on the Safe Speed site is that we had the safest roads 10 years ago, before the intensive Speed Kills movement got underway. This movement has seen massive and widespread reductions in speed limits, more rigorous enforcement of those limits, and public education advertising focused on obedience to the speed limit.
During the same periods we have seen a reduction in roads policing and a reduction in other types of education and enforcement.
Many people believe that the improvements over the last 10 years in vehicile safety engineering and in paramedic procedures would on their own have achieved greater reductions in casualties than we have seen overall, thereby indicating that the focus of Road Safety on Speed Kills has been not only unhelpful but actually damaging. Paul Smith of the Safe Speed website believes this strongly. As has been discussed here on ADUK recently, some people think he is an extremist and others that he is moderate nd reasonable.
Von and I both participated in a very extended and I think high quality debate on this issue a few months ago on the Traffic Answers forum. There were Traffic Officers on both sides of the debate. If you want to read a long thread look here (starting at page 2 of 17 where this topic really starts):
http://www.traffic-answers.com/forum/in ... ic=3462.15
I am going to resist going over the same ground again here!
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