Ancient wrote: Some road users are not trained in advanced techniques and do stupid stuff!
I don't think the two attributes are mutually exclusive
Ancient wrote: Some road users are not trained in advanced techniques and do stupid stuff!
Horse wrote:Ancient wrote: Some road users are not trained in advanced techniques and do stupid stuff!
I don't think the two attributes are mutually exclusive
Ancient wrote:I would hope that the propensity to make stupid mistakes was reduced by advanced training
Ancient wrote:Horse wrote:Ancient wrote: Some road users are not trained in advanced techniques and do stupid stuff!
I don't think the two attributes are mutually exclusive
Did I say they were?
However I would hope that the propensity to make stupid mistakes was reduced by advanced training - that's one reason I took it up after all!
Mr Cholmondeley-Warner wrote:...I I didn't consider moving my car across to block them from doing it, though...
7db wrote:Waylen et al wrote:It is well established that people tend to rate themselves as better than average across many domains.
Most people have more than the average number of legs.
Horse wrote: Expert police drivers rated themselves as superior to equally qualified drivers, to the same degree as novices, Cohens d = .03 ns. Despite their extensive additional training and experience, experts still appear to be as susceptible to illusions of superiority as everyone else.[/i]
brianhaddon wrote:They can only meaningful if they show that people drive beyond their abilities and where do these studies show that?
7db wrote:Horse wrote:Your point being . . . . ?
They might all be right. The implication seems to be that because most people think they are better than average they must be wrong.
brianhaddon wrote: I think drivers respond to the level of training they have. Yes some overestimate their skill but I bet even those who acknowledge superiority do not relate it directly on the road. I do sometimes wonder how meaningful these studies are. They can only meaningful if they show that people drive beyond their abilities and where do these studies show that?
Ancient wrote:Horse, I think there may be some talking at cross-purposes here. Nothing in what I said or implied tended towards saying that I was better than the majority of my peers. The report you link to is talking about experts tending to put themselves above the majority of experts; I expressed the hope that advanced driving training would tend to create or attract the type of driver who is willing to try to be better than the average driver. Others have pointed out that it is perfectly possible for a majority to be better than average and that being better trained should include seeing ones own mistakes (indeed I had already said that I catch myself making mistakes): None of this is stating that advanced drivers are or should be allowed to take more risks. Indeed in other posts I have questioned whether we are aware of and correctly allowing for the risk compensation that naturally occurs with training - perhaps this is what you are talking about with those police drivers?.
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