daz6215 wrote:If people think that any one system is 'perfect' and beyond critique they are not likely to deviate from it and apply a very rigid dogmatic style of teaching that offers no flexibility.
Gareth wrote:quote]
I'm not sure that follows for a couple of reasons. First, as kfae8959 has pointed out, Roadcraft contains little more than an ordered sequence of steps to consider when a hazard has been identified, and second that the aim of the System is to get drivers to fully prepare for a hazard before they reach it.
Anything else, such as your opening suggesting of trail braking, either complicates the steps by running more than one in parallel, and/or results in preparation being completed closer to or even at the point of the hazard.
daz6215 wrote:So is it not possible to critique Roadcraft?
daz6215 wrote:So is it not possible to critique Roadcraft?
Gareth wrote:
In effect you seem to be asking for others to do the hard work of providing alternative answers but you're not saying what is wrong with Roadcraft].
Gareth wrote:daz6215 wrote:So is it not possible to critique Roadcraft?
What techniques do you think Roadcraft mandates? Have you analysed them in detail and assessed their effectiveness?
What techniques do you think are missing? Can you present a detailed analysis of them and explain what makes them more effective than any of those included in Roadcraft? Do you have any suggestions that don't fall foul of the two issues I mentioned?
In effect you seem to be asking for others to do the hard work of providing alternative answers but you're not saying what is wrong with Roadcraft in terms of being a skill that virtually any driver could master while at the same time keeping safety as the highest priority.
That isn't to say that drivers shouldn't learn additional techniques that have benefits in limited circumstances, but that clearly goes beyond the purpose and scope of Roadcraft.
waremark wrote:There is far too much agreement over the fundamentals here, and as a result we are discussing minutiae. That's because we have all learned advanced driving in the same school. What about the bigger questions?
There are great drivers out there who routinely make sequential downchanges while overlapping using H & T, and continue braking into the hazard. This permits a higher entry speed with safety; if you are already braking and a reason appears which requires more braking you can stop in a shorter distance than if you have to move your right foot from the accelerator to the brake, and then move the weight of the car forward before applying maximum braking. There are great drivers who believe that you should always signal unless it would mislead. There are great drivers who use the lights to show that they are yielding priority - and have checked that they are not leading another road user into danger. And there are even more great drivers who positively reject push/pull steering.
The Roadcraft system was designed to be readily teachable to people who don't need exceptional ability or enthusiasm, to enable them to make good but not maximum progress with reasonable safety, and to work consistently under pressure in the widest variety of circumstances. Those are the criteria against which I suggest that it should be judged.
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