trashbat wrote:Is a well-executed, well-presented demo drive likely to make a positive impression on an uninitiated driver who at least likes driving? Probably.
ScoobyChris wrote:trashbat wrote:Is a well-executed, well-presented demo drive likely to make a positive impression on an uninitiated driver who at least likes driving? Probably.
I think this comes down to perception of well-executed. For example, if I start with a cockpit drill, drive safely and legally with a running commentary (Clarkson adenoid voice optional ), pull/push throughout, and then end with a shutdown drill, I'll have delivered a "perfect" RoSPA Gold drive but is that going to make a positive impression on a younger audience or scare them away?
I think this is what is so appealing about ADUK days where there is no set syllabus, people of all backgrounds are welcome and the main aim of the day is to have fun in a friendly and informal environment with the added bonus that you might learn something. I only know of one person who came to a day (embarrassingly, one of mine ) and left early because he wasn't enjoying it. Others with no AD background have come and been inspired by what they've seen and wanted to improve, only to be "deflated" by the local IAM/RoSPA groups and given up.
Chris
trashbat wrote:ScoobyChris wrote:I think this is what is so appealing about ADUK days [...] Others with no AD background have come and been inspired by what they've seen and wanted to improve ...
Agreed, but a bit like the IAM, it's largely preaching to the converted.
trashbat wrote:Let's say you take them out in a car not unlike their own, so they can't attribute the results to the vehicle. No cockpit drills, just an introduction to your combined aims. You choose a route through a flowing, bendy B road, where legal compliance is mostly enforced by the conditions rather than your own choices. You prioritise progress and making it look effortless.
You implement The System but don't talk about it, or any of the habit-changing detail. You do talk about things like 'slow in, fast out', like extending observation, like balance and preparation. You might do a selective commentary but it's to emphasise the results - we picked the right gear so we have more power on tap exiting this bend. The road straightens so let's go, go, go!
You hint at the fact that there is significant technique going on behind the curtain, and that they'll need to work to get there, but today is about demonstrating the end result.
All that you've done is a good standard drive, without really compromising on any fundamentals. You've just packaged it in a way that publicises the bits of relevance to [what they think are] their aims.
Gareth wrote:trashbat wrote:ScoobyChris wrote:I think this is what is so appealing about ADUK days [...] Others with no AD background have come and been inspired by what they've seen and wanted to improve ...
Agreed, but a bit like the IAM, it's largely preaching to the converted.
I've selectively edited Chris' comment to point out that anybody who comes to an ADUK and then wants to take their driving further is pointed towards their local IAM and RoADAR groups, sometimes with the suggestion they treat it as a stage in their learning (a discipline) that is useful before going further. In this I think it is not very much like preaching to the converted, and only becomes so for repeat attendees.
trashbat wrote:How did they discover ADUK in the first place? That's what I'm referring to - they've already partially accepted that AD is something that might work for them, so the question of whether it's 'cool' is already of reduced importance. Not entirely, I grant you, but they've climbed over some of the barriers to entry by themselves at that point.
trashbat wrote:You might do a selective commentary but it's to emphasise the results - we picked the right gear so we have more power on tap exiting this bend. The road straightens so let's go, go, go!
trashbat wrote:Gareth wrote:anybody who comes to an ADUK and then wants to take their driving further is pointed towards their local IAM and RoADAR groups, sometimes with the suggestion they treat it as a stage in their learning (a discipline) that is useful before going further.
How did they discover ADUK in the first place? That's what I'm referring to - they've already partially accepted that AD is something that might work for them
Gareth wrote:Maybe for some, but I think that some of the 'new' people taking part in ADUK days are there because someone else has told them it is a lot of fun and they might enjoy it, and not necessarily because they are already interested in advanced driving.
I see ADUK days as a hook to trap the unwary fun-loving driver ...
Gareth wrote:Kimosabe wrote:I wish the IAM didn't have the pall of stuffy driving geeks, or call it what you will, hanging over them but they do and the reason for it is because that's what they were and to a certain extent still are. Shame really as I'd like to see the IAM being far more mainstream.
You clearly see yourself as outside the IAM. If you want the IAM to be different have you considered getting involved and trying to make a difference in your local group?
Kimosabe wrote:Of course, if the IAM only teach their associates Pull-Push, BGOL, not braking on corners, a strict adherence to keeping to the left of the centre lines etc etc etc,
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