revian wrote: I wonder if the tendency is to become increasingly risk-adverse?
Yes.
revian wrote:vonhosen wrote:
If you were paralysed by fear you'd ban motor vehicles all together. That's quite different from responsible measures to limit the risks/impact they have on lives so that an acceptable social balance is struck between the positives they offer & the negatives.
I'd agree that 'an acceptable social balance' is the need/important. I wonder if the tendency is to become increasingly risk-adverse?
Ian
vonhosen wrote:Individuals will have a personal view, the job of the government is to gauge the balance across the board. Of course that means there will be individuals who find their personal view doesn't reflect favourably with where it's pitched by the government & the more extreme their personal view the more out of kilter that may seem.
revian wrote:vonhosen wrote:Individuals will have a personal view, the job of the government is to gauge the balance across the board. Of course that means there will be individuals who find their personal view doesn't reflect favourably with where it's pitched by the government & the more extreme their personal view the more out of kilter that may seem.
I think my concern is that government (of any colour) seem less able,or even willing, to gauge the 'balance across the board'. 'Short-termism' / 'knee jerk' are the common accusations. Maybe it's too off topic but doesnt this sit there under all/most law changes including transport?
Maybe Im getting a bit more dinosaur with each day...
Ian
jont wrote:revian wrote:vonhosen wrote:Individuals will have a personal view, the job of the government is to gauge the balance across the board. Of course that means there will be individuals who find their personal view doesn't reflect favourably with where it's pitched by the government & the more extreme their personal view the more out of kilter that may seem.
I think my concern is that government (of any colour) seem less able,or even willing, to gauge the 'balance across the board'. 'Short-termism' / 'knee jerk' are the common accusations. Maybe it's too off topic but doesnt this sit there under all/most law changes including transport?
Maybe Im getting a bit more dinosaur with each day...
Ian
The problem is that most people are incredibly bad at both quantifying and understanding risk. There is almost no-one in government with scientific experience to be able to understand and explain risk - never mind the problem of trying to explain it to the media/population at large.
revian wrote:vonhosen wrote:If you were paralysed by fear you'd ban motor vehicles all together. That's quite different from responsible measures to limit the risks/impact they have on lives so that an acceptable social balance is struck between the positives they offer & the negatives.
I'd agree that 'an acceptable social balance' is the need/important. I wonder if the tendency is to become increasingly risk-adverse?
Ian
waremark wrote:I think officialdom is out of step with the majority of normal folk. Normal folk are happy to accept risk in their lives. Government thinks it will be blamed whenever something goes wrong and is ludicrously intolerant of risk. The media occupy both extremes, blaming government whenever something goes wrong but laughing at government for their 'elf'n safety' efforts to prevent anything going wrong.
TripleS wrote:There is far too much official interference in our lives
GJD wrote:TripleS wrote:There is far too much official interference in our lives
Indeed. There is always the option to treat it with the contempt it deserves and ignore it, but we shouldn't be being forced into having to consider that approach in the first place. A contemptible level of interference should never have come about, but we've made the mistake of giving people who seek to control others too much tolerance.
vonhosen wrote:It's not just the media occupy both extremes, parts of the population do too (with everybody else covering all the ground in between).
GJD wrote:vonhosen wrote:It's not just the media occupy both extremes, parts of the population do too (with everybody else covering all the ground in between).
The problem is when the more risk averse elements of the population are allowed to impose their views on others. There's no reason they shouldn't be free to pay somebody else to refit their central heating, but they are forcing Dave to do it their way too. That is extremely unpleasant, selfish behaviour on their part and it shouldn't be tolerated.
GJD wrote:vonhosen wrote:It's not just the media occupy both extremes, parts of the population do too (with everybody else covering all the ground in between).
The problem is when the more risk averse elements of the population are allowed to impose their views on others. There's no reason they shouldn't be free to pay somebody else to refit their central heating, but they are forcing Dave to do it their way too. That is extremely unpleasant, selfish behaviour on their part and it shouldn't be tolerated.
jont wrote:GJD wrote:vonhosen wrote:It's not just the media occupy both extremes, parts of the population do too (with everybody else covering all the ground in between).
The problem is when the more risk averse elements of the population are allowed to impose their views on others. There's no reason they shouldn't be free to pay somebody else to refit their central heating, but they are forcing Dave to do it their way too. That is extremely unpleasant, selfish behaviour on their part and it shouldn't be tolerated.
I'm a bit torn by this one. We've been on the other side of things - having to get DIY work by a previous owner of a house replaced/fixed as it was completely unfit for purpose (the same house we had to get transco out the day we got the keys to sort out a leaking gas fire ).
And as an Electronic engineer, the Part P regs annoy me too (and there's no guarantee a "certified" tradesperson will actually do a competent job).
The real problem I have with the regs is that they can't/don't stop the incompetent, while putting red tape in the way of those who are competent, but would also prefer to do things legally. I don't know how you fix that
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